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Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by bmitc »

illegalmemory wrote: post #72
gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

" If you plug a laptop into a closet at MIT to download some scientific papers you forfeit your life." This is exactly what I immediately thought while reading the article. It almost feels like the legal system only punishes general public, while most of these guys are above it.

It's not a feeling. It's exactly what happens. It's completely blatant.

For some reason, whenever you're a billionaire or company, things suddenly get so difficult that you can claim that it's impossible to be held accountable for anything. Murder, insider trading, laundering, treason, etc.

OpenAI complained about this, as did Google and everyone else. If your company can't exist without stealing data, then it's not a viable company. Companies don't have a constitutional right to exist.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by BrandonM »

4ggr0 wrote: post #342
999900000999 wrote: post #326

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Hotels were just fine. Taxis were discriminatory and "uncool" to the point were Uber has saved thousands by preventing drunk driving. Now if you go out with the boys and get drunk, it's a 30 second casual call to get an Uber and get home. Live in a neighborhood Taxis are afraid to service，you can either make some extra income working for Uber or use it yourself. When Ubers used as its intended purpose, to basically m…

> Say your rents it's going to be late, you can pick up 20 or 30 hours of Uber this month to make it happen that sounds so incredibly dystopian, not sure if that was the intention :(

Maybe to you, but I was broke during and shortly after college. If I could have picked up some gig work when I needed it, that would have been a huge help.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by esafak »

kshri24 wrote: post #307
demosthanos wrote: post #249

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This is the corollary of the fallacy of appeal to authority: the rejection of an argument on the grounds that the speaker was horribly wrong on an unrelated or very loosely related topic. If you reject Macaulay on copyright because he was an imperialist, you can use the exact same logic to reject the arguments of essentially every person who ever lived. Very few humans who ever wrote anything important will perfectly…

> If you reject Macaulay on copyright because he was an imperialist On the contrary I would argue that this is precisely why you SHOULD NOT take his opinion on copyright. One of the main outcomes of imperialism/colonization is denigrating/destroying/appropriating works of art, literature with the primary goal of subjugation, subversion and thereupon replacement of native culture/traditions/institutions. I did not quo…

Touche.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by jjmarr »

qup wrote: post #335
luqtas wrote: post #209

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Libgen turns into a problem when you have a company developing generative AI with it, either giving money to GPU manufacturers or themselves with paid services (see OpenAI)

What are we actually worried about happening? Are AI-written books getting published? If they start out-competing humans, is that bad? According to most naysayers, they can't do anything original. Are people asking the AI for books? And then hoping it will spit it out a human-written book word for word?

> Are AI-written books getting published?

Yes, online bookstores are full of them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-...

The issue is there's an asymmetry between buyer/seller for books, because a buyer doesn't know the contents until you buy the book. Reviews can help, but not if the reviews are fake/AI generated. In this case, these books are profitable if only a few people buy them as the marginal cost of creating such a book is close to zero.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by ndriscoll »

ziddoap wrote: post #207
bko wrote: post #157

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The thing is Google, meta and YouTube weren't giant entities when they did this stuff. I think it's good no one cracked down on them for copyright stuff. Now they're developing an LLM that will generate potentially trillions in value to humanity and looks like they're not exactly playing by the rules. But I prefer looser intellectual property rights anyway so Im ok with it

> But I prefer looser intellectual property rights anyway so Im ok with it I think more people, potentially anyways, would feel similar to to this if it applied even somewhat equally. Instead, companies can seemingly do whatever they please whereas lawyers will send letters to your home for downloading a single episode of game of thrones.

From the article, they took steps to avoid using their IP addresses. Individuals doing the same using a VPN are pretty much immune from any legal issues.

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Post by mrweasel »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #229
modzu wrote: post #193

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i know of a company that poisoned an entire town! thats terrorism if done by an individual. the company still exists, just paid a settlement and carried on...

I agree with your point, but will split hairs on using the word "terrorism". I think that should be reserved for people that commit atrocities for some political aim. I'm fairly sure the company in question (I assume Union Carbide) did not poison the town to advance a political agenda.

Kinda terrifying that you can get away with shit if you just argue that it's not politically motivated, you did it because you really wanted a yacht.

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Post by jamespo »

throwawaygmbno wrote: post #332
ericyd wrote: post #329

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I just can't get behind the sentiment that the unethical behavior by big companies means I get to access all the content I want for free.

Thank you for your service

At least your human right of watching a netflix show is unaffected

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Post by BrandonM »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #331
dingnuts wrote: post #299

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if you want to support an artist go to the show and BUY MERCH at the table! almost all of their income comes from that. the importance of buying a T-shirt at the show cannot be overstated and sometimes you get to say hi to your idol, too

It's a stupid situation, though. There are many creators I'm happy to support - but for 99% of them, I don't want their stupid merch . It's mostly low-quality garbage with high markup, that nevertheless cost something to design and produce, thus wasting both precious resources and labor - an useless tax on contributions to artists that doesn't even help anything. I really wish this wasn't necessary. (Even the okay-qu…

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a band selling merch that didn’t also have a tip jar.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by throwawaygmbno »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #331
dingnuts wrote: post #299

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if you want to support an artist go to the show and BUY MERCH at the table! almost all of their income comes from that. the importance of buying a T-shirt at the show cannot be overstated and sometimes you get to say hi to your idol, too

It's a stupid situation, though. There are many creators I'm happy to support - but for 99% of them, I don't want their stupid merch . It's mostly low-quality garbage with high markup, that nevertheless cost something to design and produce, thus wasting both precious resources and labor - an useless tax on contributions to artists that doesn't even help anything. I really wish this wasn't necessary. (Even the okay-qu…

What is the point of this comment? Just a stream of consciousness for a future LLM sweep? Nobody thinks that the actual creator should get nothing. Are you asking for better T shirts? Do you want more direct ways of just giving cash?
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