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Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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Yeah I mean Zucc was only 20 when he started Facebook and popularised the adage "work fast and break things", which was a great strategy for Facebook and its burnt out staff (or those that couldn't hack it) so of course it'll work for the biggest economy in the world too, it's basically the same as a startup, right?

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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If DOGE wants to be effective it really should be going after the big ticket items like medicare or defense, some estimates have medicare at 40% fraud and waste and the DoD can't even pass an audit so no one really knows what %. And that is just getting what we've paid for, not even evaluating if what we've paid for is effective. Of course to do that would require actual coalition building, hard choices that upset vo…

> should be going after the big ticket items like medicare or defense

ok, but just after he fixed twitter bots like he promised, or ships working Autopilot.

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Are such drastic action appropriate given the current state of the US? The US probably hasn't been this economically dominant since after WWII. Feels like Chesterton fences are getting torn up left and right by people too young and incurious to possibly understand why those fences might be there.

> Are such drastic action appropriate given the current state of the US? With the debt ceiling ever increasing, approaching a trillion dollars in interest per year, nearing $6k/year per working individual, I would say the correct time to put any effort, whatsoever, into reducing spending, was 20 years ago. I think the fundamental problem is we lack adversarial systems within the government: it doesn't like to hurt it…

And guess whose fault that deficit is? Answer: Bush and Trump.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/tax-cuts-are-primar...

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax...

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/extend...

He campaigned (first time) to reduce the national debt and instead exploded it by giving massive tax cuts to corporations and the wealthiest of the wealthy.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/trump-plan-boosts-bud...

Something something promises something kept?

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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The Founding Fathers had 18, 20, 21 and 25 year olds in much more important positions. And just like DOGE, they were working in a team with older people too, but that sort of rational framing just doesn't get clicks. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United...

The Founding Fathers were responsible for a population of... just under 3 million though, as opposed to the US' current ~350 million.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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The next four years are going to be a test of the US Constitution. But when they are up -- and they will be, and people are more angry at Trump than the last time around the pendulum swings wildly back again, as it always does, what is going to happen to Musk and the rest of them?

From the outside (that is europen view) it looks like they're planning that this change in four years - or even two - will not happen. We'll see.

A good read would be Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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how is someone’s age relevant? Is a 55 y.o. Software engineer who spent 20 years in a bureaucratic wheel any better than a bright 20yo mind? They both suck in a different way! Writing an entire article with ageism as a center piece is truly pinnacle of American journalism

20yos with max 2 weeks of experience in the job - given the inauguration date.

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Are such drastic action appropriate given the current state of the US? The US probably hasn't been this economically dominant since after WWII. Feels like Chesterton fences are getting torn up left and right by people too young and incurious to possibly understand why those fences might be there.

USD as reserve currency is a hen that lays golden eggs. The US maintains monopoly on this free money cheat through goodwill driven manufactured consent, diplomacy, financial bullying and military might. Each subsequent tool being more heavy handed & less preferred than the last. Heavy handed tools while effective, break more than they fix. This prudence sustains Pax Americana. In 2025 America, good will is at an all-…

I'm honestly terrified that they'll turn my savings to some sort of nothing by fucking over our currency.

I don't know how anyone isn't.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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If DOGE wants to be effective it really should be going after the big ticket items like medicare or defense, some estimates have medicare at 40% fraud and waste and the DoD can't even pass an audit so no one really knows what %. And that is just getting what we've paid for, not even evaluating if what we've paid for is effective. Of course to do that would require actual coalition building, hard choices that upset vo…

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These kinds of vague rumours ("they have evidence" is weasel words) are used to legitimize the development of invasive programs (and software) that profile people; see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scand... that affected tens of thousands of people (causing children to be removed from their parents, divorces, suicides, etc), mostly justified because of a small group of people defrauding the benefits scheme. The total cost of setting this right is in the billions and increasing, many times more than whatever they saved on fraud.

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Posts here talk about the legality of this, that what they are doing is not allowed, or that they're doing something naively without understanding. But what is the goal? Maybe what goal to they think they're pursuing? This is hacker news, so I'm asking for an answer without political rhetoric.

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