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Post by insane_dreamer »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #199
gowld wrote: post #196

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"Low-cost slave-labor factory located. Enjoy your widgets!"

Then add criteria for worker welfare, factory safety standards, relative corruption level of the host nation, and/or whatever else turns your propeller. The point is that this kind of tool is potentially a real labor-saver for those who are trying to act responsibly within their sphere of influence.

ultimately the goal is that we can replace Susan in purchasing with a $500/month AI-powered SAAS that locates suppliers based on your predefined needs and handles communications with them

it's a tragedy that with all the ways that humanity could be improved -- and there's a very wide range to choose from -- this is what we choose to spend half a trillion on

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by nxobject »

gessha wrote: post #370
nxobject wrote: post #357

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Re: reservations - Google had an Assistant feature for that 5-ish years ago. I think it only really worked in a limited number of domains though (restaurants, restaurants, and more restaurants…) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM

Which was scripted and Google refused to give more info on the demo conditions: https://www.axios.com/2018/05/17/google-ai-demo-questions

I stand corrected! Thank you.

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Post by dumah »

swatcoder wrote: post #84
tedsanders wrote: post #33

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I assume here it means complying with requests that could harm other people. It's pretty common for businesses to tell their employees not to assist customers doing bad things, so not surprised to see AIs trained to not to assist customers doing bad things. Examples: - "operator, please sign up for 100 fake Reddit accounts and have them regularly make posts praising product X." - "operator, please order the component…

It's pretty troubling and illiberal to use the same word for a software tool being constrained by its manufacturer's moral framework and for a human user being constrained to that manufacturer's moral framework. While you can see how the word is formally valid and analogous in both cases, the connotation is that the user is being judged by the moral standards of a commercial vendor, which is about as Cyberpunk Dystop…

Being restricted from doing crimes by a vendor of commercial software isn’t a cyberpunk dystopia. Buy or download something else.

It’s a typical restriction of software terms of service to prohibit use outside of applicable laws and regulations.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

gyomu wrote: post #255
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

No

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Post by reissbaker »

franktankbank wrote: post #217
reissbaker wrote: post #201

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This seems unreasonably pessimistic (or unreasonably optimistic in OpenAI's moat?). There are so, so many companies competing in this space. The cost will reflect the price of the hardware needed to run it: if it doesn't, they'll just lose to one of their many competitors who offer something similar for cheaper, e.g. whatever DeepSeek or Meta releases in the same space, with the cost driven to the bottom by commoditi…

The data is the moat.

Considering that OpenAI is barely able to stay ahead of open-source, and in some cases has fallen behind (i.e. 4o vs DeepSeek V3), I think the data moat doesn't really exist. And the difference between 4o and o1 isn't training on more data: quite famously it's scaling test-time compute, not scaling training.

"The data is the moat" was a pretty common belief a few years ago, but not anymore.

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Post by dingnuts »

lm28469 wrote: post #348
Nimitz14 wrote: post #317

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I can't wait. Gated community's with real ID logins can't come soon enough. I want to know who I'm talking to.

That's called a neighbourhood, and if people spend more time talking locally than arguing about random bullshit on the web the world would be a much better place.

yeah you would think but the things I've heard about Nextdoor have /not/ encouraged me to make an account. And I sort of know my neighbors lol

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Post by lostmsu »

axus wrote: post #285
throwaway314155 wrote: post #266

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It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site. People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.

When the first person does it, it's hacking/testing. If lots of people do it, it's cargo-culting and riding coattails.

I think the difference here is more nuanced

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Post by amarcheschi »

TheRealQueequeg wrote: post #363
karpathy wrote: post #254

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Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Ope…

> It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape The Anduril developed assassin bot whispers quietly into my ear as it strangles the life out of me. (I'm chose Anduril not because I think they are making this specific thing, but because it's a company at a great intersection between things related)

Somehow the companies find that they spur a lot of complex issues, but it's never their responsibility for those issues

(I guess they'll say it's the government's or something like that)

Anyway, I laughed thinking of Anduril bot. Now that we're talking about this, the future of life institute made a short movie about technology and ceos saying whatever they need to sell Ai products that can suggest the use of weapons or retaliation in defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9npWiTOHX0

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Post by amarcheschi »

thiht wrote: post #373
new_user_final wrote: post #334

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When I was reading this comment, I asked myself why karpathy writes like an AI. Then got disclaimer it was written by AI.

Same for me, I read "The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator" and immediately knew this was AI garbage. Not sure what was the point of the comment. Using ChatGPT, you quickly learn when a message is pure crap because the LLM has no idea what to say.

Karpathy's eyes shined and his spine shivered, as he salivated over the thought of writing an answer on Hackernews aided by his assistant elara-gpt.

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Post by [deleted] »

sumedh wrote: post #281
dutchbookmaker wrote: post #252

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I am almost 50 and I have never booked a reservation for a restaurant in my entire life. The Rome trip is even more absurd. Part of the fun of a trip is figuring out what you want to do. This seems like a product aimed at the delusional, self important, managerial class.

> I am almost 50 and I have never booked a reservation for a restaurant in my entire life. Ok but that does not mean others share the same opinion. Try doing a walk in for a fancy restaurant on the weekend, see how that goes?

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