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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by rvz »

Mizza wrote: post #258
caycep wrote: post #209

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Multiple sources are crediting months of work by Brett McGurk as the lead in this. This is Biden admin accomplishment.

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The comment above you by 'caycep' couldn't give any evidence to credit Biden for this. Hopefully you have evidence of those Israeli sources supporting your claim.

But I don't know why on this website, many here are cheering for this as a "success" under Biden as this war happened under his presidency (and also the Russian-Ukraine war) and he failed to get the first ceasefire deal reached and it was only until he and Harris both lost the election a deal was reached, which should have been earlier preventing an excessive amount of civilians killed in this war.

This deal would not have happened if Biden or Harris won the election.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by tiahura »

boringg wrote: post #223
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by bushbaba »

tasn wrote: post #368
spencerflem wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh it's a temporary 42 day one :c. I assumed it was permanent and that Hamas would not give away all their leverage (the hostages) in exchange for only a pause in the fighting. No, you're right - they just wore them down. To: "But you can't "take" a deal your counterparty refuses.", I meant that, several times there were articles saying a ceasefire was near, negotiated by a third party, and in those it has been Israe…

They are not releasing all of the hostages, only 33 out of 98. Edit: only 22 of the 33 are estimated to be alive, the rest being dead bodies. Not sure what are the estimates for the other 65.

33 hostages with some being bodies. It’s unclear how many alive hostages out of the 98 will still be held by Hamas. There’s also a few bodies Hamas has refused to give from past conflict

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by o999 »

Jarwain wrote: post #58
hmcq6 wrote: post #30

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What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

April 2023

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Al-Aqsa_clashes

October 6th, 2023

Statement by UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Tor Wennesland on Attack by Israeli Settlers in Huwwara

“I condemn today’s attack by Israeli settlers against Palestinians and their property in the town of Huwara in occupied West Bank,” said UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Tor Wennesland, in a statement.

“I'm outraged by the continued incitement, provocations, and lack of accountability for these violent crimes,” he added, stressing that “Israel must ensure that the civilian population is protected, and perpetrators are held to account.”

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/statement-by-un-special-...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli%E2%8...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israel...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by bushbaba »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Assad fell as a result of Israeli actions. Leadership of the entire axis of resistance is dead. Syria, Lebanon, and the West Bank learned what the price will be for “FAFO”. Gazan citizens have started to have a negative sentiment in Hamas, but do not express it given they and their families will be killed

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by ausbah »

imgabe wrote: post #364
tehjoker wrote: post #354

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Hamas could have stopped it at any time by releasing the hostages. Or they could have just not taken the hostages in the first place.

“only you can stop us from bombing civilians”

-country bombing said civilians

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by grumple »

culi wrote: post #149
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

> officially be labelled as genocidal

By whom, legions of anti-American people on the internet?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by bushbaba »

bbqfog wrote: post #283
dmix wrote: post #178

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Of any of Israel's wars in recent history none has decimated their regional enemies as much as this. Every way you cut it they are in a much more secure position militarily. Iran (aka Lebanon/Syria) losing so badly is more important than Hamas surviving because that was the cludgle that threatened them from punishing Gaza too harshly (for ex: America pushed Israel very hard not to provoke Lebanon after Oct 7 and we s…

Israel is weaker politically and internationally than it has ever been, dramatically so. It can only have military superiority as long as western nations are supplying it with weapons and political cover.

Disagree. Israel historically was in a worse state. The U.S. didn’t always support Israel. Additionally Israel, a nation of Jews, has seen its people in much, much, much, worse. Including pre 49.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by paxys »

tonymet wrote: post #271

> Trump's Mideast envoy Steve Witkoff was in Qatar along with White House envoys for the talks, and a senior Biden administration official said Witkoff's presence was critical to reaching a deal after 96 hours of intense negotiations.

Better than Jared Kushner I guess
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