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Re: Uncut Currency

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All it takes is a cooperating bank teller, $200, and some patience and you can order a strap of $2's. Chances are large that 100 uncirculated $2 bills in sequential order will be ready for you to pick up in a few days. I don't expect there's much more value than $200 in there, but if you disagree, you're welcome to figure out what your local bank's limit on currency ordering is :P

The San Diego zoo used to make a point of stocking all their cashiers with $2 bills, as a subtle "this is how much we bring to the local economy" indicator. It's not a bad idea for a small business, either, until everyone starts doing it.

There's a strip club in Portland that only gives out $2 bills in change, as the minimum you should toss on stage at any one time.

What's really funny is, if you walk into any other bar in Portland and tip with them, there's a good chance the bartender will ask if you've just been to that stripclub.

Re: Uncut Currency

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(Professional coin & currency nerd here) Fun fact about these — when the treasury first issued these, many people decided to cut them into odd off-center pieces and sell the resulting notes as miscut errors. Once that started happening, the treasury (BEP to be specific) very quickly changed the serial numbers so they’re all very recognizable as having come from an uncut sheet. I didn’t check the latest for all denomi…

kinda off topic but since you're an expert here: what do people do with these uncut sheets? Is it mainly for collectors? also, my favorite form of getting currency is $2 bills in a 100 stack (so $200) from the bank. I used to use these for gift money on holidays :) but unfortunately my credit union doesn't order new stacks anymore, just jumbled up old $2 bills now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0...

Re: Uncut Currency

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(Professional coin & currency nerd here) Fun fact about these — when the treasury first issued these, many people decided to cut them into odd off-center pieces and sell the resulting notes as miscut errors. Once that started happening, the treasury (BEP to be specific) very quickly changed the serial numbers so they’re all very recognizable as having come from an uncut sheet. I didn’t check the latest for all denomi…

kinda off topic but since you're an expert here: what do people do with these uncut sheets? Is it mainly for collectors? also, my favorite form of getting currency is $2 bills in a 100 stack (so $200) from the bank. I used to use these for gift money on holidays :) but unfortunately my credit union doesn't order new stacks anymore, just jumbled up old $2 bills now.

* With $1 bills wrap a gift with them as "wrapping paper" you bought at the mall. Generates lots of confusion because it's freaky how real they look (because they are in fact real dollars). Recipient can keep as a novelty or cut up and use.

* If you are giving a gift to someone you know is into crafting and has a precision paper trimmer you can wrap a gift with some higher value items ($100 or $200 total) so the wrapping paper is the gift. Or crumple and use as padding inside the box. I find this annoying personally.

* Talk about money and how they make money with your kids - the novelty is a plus here.

Re: Uncut Currency

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(Professional coin & currency nerd here) Fun fact about these — when the treasury first issued these, many people decided to cut them into odd off-center pieces and sell the resulting notes as miscut errors. Once that started happening, the treasury (BEP to be specific) very quickly changed the serial numbers so they’re all very recognizable as having come from an uncut sheet. I didn’t check the latest for all denomi…

Aside: Can you report items like these? eBay doesn't seem to have a report category for "description is a lie".

Re: Uncut Currency

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(Professional coin & currency nerd here) Fun fact about these — when the treasury first issued these, many people decided to cut them into odd off-center pieces and sell the resulting notes as miscut errors. Once that started happening, the treasury (BEP to be specific) very quickly changed the serial numbers so they’re all very recognizable as having come from an uncut sheet. I didn’t check the latest for all denomi…

Isn't messing with money (destroying it, melting coins, etc) really punished by most countries?

If so, why is money one can cut a thing?

Re: Uncut Currency

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> the Mint will also sell you in line with Chinese numerology collectible bills with “777”s or “888”s in their SNs For Chinese numerology, you'd want 666.

Sevens are a massive number in Chinese numerology: The 7 parts (yin/yang/metals), the 7 steps, 7 captures, etc. Eights are symbols of prosperity, wealth, generosity, good fortune in business, etc. Six is a kinda useless number for money -- Smoothness and whatnot are less for money and more for one's tongue. You'd name a wine after a six (I've seen "Dice Wine" referring to 6-sided dice) but not look for it in bills

Well, https://hsbc.banklocationmaps.com/en/chn/shanghai only lists one branch at a street address of 666, and that one is really just sharing the address of the commercial center where it's located, but that still seems like enough for this point.

8 is heavily represented. 6 is a runner-up. 7 doesn't appear to be significant in this context.

Consider the branch phone numbers:

3888 3888

3888 8468

3888 8900

3888 1200

6279 8582

3888 3111

3888 1318

3888 1188

3888 6455

3888 8618

3888 8688

3888 1218

3888 6388

There is technically one 7 in there, but it seems clear that the bank would have preferred not to have it. Counting only the second halves, 8 is overwhelmingly popular, so is 1 (for reasons I don't know), 6 is only barely ahead of what's typical, but still in third place, and 7 doesn't even exist.

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When was the last time you changed a $5 bill at a carwash?

I have a jar of quarters from throwing my change in it. No silver quarters, ever. And yah, I can spot a silver one immediately. The color and feel is different, and the edge of course is the dead giveaway.

I don't know what to tell you, the last 3 times I've changed a five at the car wash there's been at least 2 high silver count quarters in the pile, with a peak of 5.

Re: Uncut Currency

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Btw, I wonder what strategy would lead to maximisation of Seignorage (in inflation adjusted terms). Ignoring collectors items for a moment, I suspect keeping inflation low will lead to higher absolute monetary balance held by the public, more than making up for not raking in much in 'inflation tax'. See eg how the Bank of Japan could pump out lots and lots of money to be held by the general public, when their inflati…

I doubt that we have a huge paper notes mass being hoarded in the US, most of it should be circulating pretty constantly. I see it important for exports as the US gets to produce paper that we send over to other countries in exchange for goods. They store it and we never pay back as long as our economy, technological progress, science, higher education, cutting-edge healthcare, entertainment, army stay ahead of other…

> I doubt that we have a huge paper notes mass being hoarded in the US, most of it should be circulating pretty constantly.

I suspect most of the seigniorage these days ain't in the paper notes, but in database entries. Ie reserves that banks hold at the central bank. (Though Interest on Excess Reserves makes this topic more complicated than it used to be in the past.)

The rest of your comment seems to be about what is logical for an individual or perhaps for society. And that's useful, but not at all where I wanted to go with my comment. I was purely speculating on how to get the maximum seigniorage for the central bank.

> Pension funds, 401k are all tight to various investments, indices, etc. that are all reflection of the total economy. And I see it as my participation in the broader economy as I spend money that creates jobs and creates new economic exchanges further, and as a shareholder I capture that value back anyway. People should keep their spending at their social level if they want to keep the economy going smoothly.

People keeping their money as cash under the mattress implicitly also lend it out to the economy. An inflation targeting central bank will notice that (statistically) less spending is going on when the money is under the mattress, and print more money to compensate. When you start spending the mattress money, the central bank will remove money from circulation to compensate.

The net effect on the economy is pretty much the same as if you had stuck it directly into a bank account. (The main practical difference is in who's doing the asset allocation. But the amount of total spending is about the same: it's whatever the central banks decides it should be. No need for you to help smooth it out.)

You are right that with an inflationary currency, keeping money under the mattress is a losing proposition for the individual. But with eg a deflating currency, cash might be a decent investment. (And you can get into these kinds of regimes without crashing the economy, by eg central bank that targets a constant nominal GDP, or with the historic gold standard.)

That's why I was bringing up the example of Japan: when they had deflation, people were keeping lots of cash around.

Just for clarity: I wasn't even thinking so much about money under the mattress, but mostly about 'cash in your wallet'.

Re: Uncut Currency

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I'd gladly accept a whole sheet of uncut currency, because they sell for more than face value.

Who are you going to resell it to? You've just become the sucker while they recouped some of the losses.

If you accept it at face value, how have they recouped their losses? And how are you a sucker?

> Who are you going to resell it to?

Ebay or so, if you have no better idea.

Re: Uncut Currency

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> What research did you do before making your statement? I clearly stated "as far as I'm aware" and that I am happy to be corrected. I appreciate the extra information, but the tone here is not appreciated and is skirting close to breaching the HN guidelines.

I did not see anything with their tone. There was nothing wrong with you making a statement qualified with "as far as I know" . You're good. Likewise, there was nothing wrong with another person asking for details regarding what effort went into "as far as I know" . They're good. Someone who is in any given field and has researched it for decades might have more related knowledge included in "as far as I know" , than…

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