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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

kelnos wrote: post #250
brookst wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

>any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms.

That's the arguments right wingers make about why flag burning should be a crime as there are other ways to express displeasure with the country it represents. IIRC, Robert Bork was a proponent of this line of thinking.

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Post by renewiltord »

gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

If China develops a medical technique better than ours and ban ours, will we ban that technique here? We must do what is right for our nation. If TikTok harms us we must ban it, reciprocal or not. If it does not harm or does benefit us, we must not ban it, reciprocal or not. The question is only whether it harms or benefits our people.

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Post by oefrha »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #370
oefrha wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“You provided a single link so all the evidence in the world is that single link” is some lame trolling. The topic has been reported many times over since last October/November, with letter to Treasury Secretary [1], op-eds, hearings and addresses on Congress floor which you can look up yourself in a few minutes. [2] is a starting point from early on. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/israel-palestine-hawl..…

Don't get why your previous comment got flagged

1. There may be users who think I’m going on a flamewar tangent. I may think so myself about similar comments on a variety of topics, but IMO top-down censorship of pro-Palestinian content is something you can’t get around when discussing the TikTok ban.

2. I believe there are a substantial number of users prowling HN flagging anything perceived as anti-Israel. (Same can be said about anything perceived as pro-Israel, btw. Among other things.)

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Post by mschuster91 »

brookst wrote: post #146
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

> So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours?

Reciprocity means that we are not required to allow Chinese propaganda into our children's bedrooms.

We are at war with China and Russia, and we are fighting it with both hands tied behind our backs.

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Post by flohofwoe »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #182

I thought America had freedom?? How can they claim to have freedom if the government says they can't even use a video app.

Using the app won't be illegal, you just can't get it from US app stores anymore (e.g. the personal freedom of users is preserved, only the freedom of some companies to do business in the US is restricted - e.g. a regular tradewar scenario).

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Post by xnx »

epolanski wrote: post #345
wiseowise wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

I'm sick of this being repeated over and over until it becomes true. We have had multiple studies at this point and not a single one concluded that there's any kind of particular manipulation on Tik Tok. Not one. They all conclude that the bias is not different from other platforms. HBO run a segment on the ban and goes a bit more in depth: https://youtu.be/5CZNlaeZAtw?si=-4f7Pyww-nazCrSM

The biggest manipulation seems to be people thinking that TikTok is brainwashing the youths.

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Post by tester756 »

brookst wrote: post #146
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz

They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government

It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia

they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

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Post by lm28469 »

latentcall wrote: post #153
disqard wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand why you are being downvoted. I'm baffled at folks wanting to overlook that a Chinese-controlled brainworm is even more dangerous than a US-operated brainworm. Yes, we should steer clear of all brainworms, but we should be exterminating the brainworms run by adversaries ASAP.

Who’s the adversary? China? China is not my adversary even if the United States government thinks so. I believe many Americans would agree with that. To me it seems China made a superior app that the American youth wanted to use and the American social media apparatus was jealous so lobbied to have it banned.

China is not my enemy hence everything china does is good and everything my government does against any chinese action is bad

Sheesh, I'll never understand people smart enough to see their local government as bad but dumb enough to idolise every other foreign power

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