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Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by resource_waste »

simion314 wrote: post #305
resource_waste wrote: post #288

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The longer I live, the more I think Ubuntu/Canonical and the team is terrible at everything except marketing. Their terrible and outdated OS was supreme for 2 decades from a simple 'Free CD' marketing trick. The actual performance has always been so bad, people made Mint and quickly abandoned Debian/Ubuntu-family for desktop use. Hearing the Ubuntu phone failed is not surprising.

Probably you read to much Arch users comments, many servers run Ubuntu LTS , and many desktops run Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I tried Debian, Sidux, Arch, Chakra, Fedora, Mandriva, Mint and others and for last 10 years I am happy back on Kubuntu LTS , there is no magic on the other distros that give you performance and I do my work on this PC, game on wine/Proton, I have latest NVIDIA driver. The reason I use LTS is because…

What is it with Debian-family people saying the word 'Arch'.

"Debian is outdated and cant be used with Nvid---"

"ARCH"

"ARCH sucks, too hard"

what?

I never mentioned Arch.

There is some sickness going on with Debian-family members, to see this 'Arch' line across the internet when literally no one mentions Arch, makes me think there some fear mongering going on.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by danielEM »

We need some disruptive movement here, it can't be like that forever. I'm 44 now and waiting for many, many years already for open sourcing everything that is needed to get android phones running native linux as main and only OS with support of all devices on board. I want single device for my daily desktop, VR and phone tasks. I don't need 3 separate computers for these. And I want to HAVE MY FREEDOM with MY DEVICE. And lastly - would give my middle finger to everyone trying to charge extra for this freedom, it is not a slavery with option to buy yourself off.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by switch007 »

gsck wrote: post #297
switch007 wrote: post #165

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And in 2024 can't software make up for fewer/thinner lenses for the average use case?

No, you cant add any extra pixels

What do you feel the /average/ use case is?

The average use case I bet isn't making use of 4000 plus pixels

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

wkat4242 wrote: post #362
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #318

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Not great) Tried replacing my laptop with a Samsung phone+monitor combination on a trip, didn't really work out. Phones are not built for continuous load.

The official DeX docks have a fan built in. This helps a lot especially if you take the phone out of the case. I need to do so anyway because the usb doesn't go in deep enough without it.

dock + fan + monitor already weights more than a laptop ..

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

Tepix wrote: post #292
onion2k wrote: post #217

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You just need to replace the battery every three years or so. If you used it as a PC, presumably in a dock attached to a monitor, keyboard, etc, then it's be plugged in most of the time and battery wouldn't get much use.

My comment was about using a phone just as a phone :-)

Aghast! Oh, the humanity! Heathen, be gone from these parts!

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by simion314 »

resource_waste wrote: post #381
simion314 wrote: post #305

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Probably you read to much Arch users comments, many servers run Ubuntu LTS , and many desktops run Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I tried Debian, Sidux, Arch, Chakra, Fedora, Mandriva, Mint and others and for last 10 years I am happy back on Kubuntu LTS , there is no magic on the other distros that give you performance and I do my work on this PC, game on wine/Proton, I have latest NVIDIA driver. The reason I use LTS is because…

What is it with Debian-family people saying the word 'Arch'. "Debian is outdated and cant be used with Nvid---" "ARCH" "ARCH sucks, too hard" what? I never mentioned Arch. There is some sickness going on with Debian-family members, to see this 'Arch' line across the internet when literally no one mentions Arch, makes me think there some fear mongering going on.

It is decades of Arch toxicity, other distros not only Debian based will confirm it. Arch is an OK distro but their kernel is not faster then a Debian kernel, I run Arch for a whle, I compiled the kernel with the flags for my CPU, I build the required modules into the kernel so it loads a second faster, there was no systemd so I also optimized the boot services. I had a ton of free time. But then I did not had free time, and screwing with the kernel and latest upstream bugs was no longer fun. So as an experienced ex Arch user, there is no magic shit Arch puts in their kernel to make it faster, the horror story you hear about Ubuntu is newbs having issue with GNOME and breaking it by tring to put customization in a DE that does not allow it.

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Post by gitaarik »

maccard wrote: post #379
gitaarik wrote: post #369

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I rather have more choice and possibilities and control with the added risk of breaking things and the necessity to take responsibility. And it's not necessarily easy to break things on Android, but yeah you have to be a bit more conscious of what you're doing. I guess for people that are not very tech savvy iOS is maybe easier and safer.

> I guess for people that are not very tech savvy iOS is maybe easier and safer. This is dismissive. I'm tech savvy - I'm a programmer who has written kernel level code shipped to hundreds of thousands of people. It's not about it being "easier and safer", it's about not caring wanting to have to make every microdecision just so I can read an email.

I didn't mean to be dismissive, but that I can see why you would choose iOS as your main OS. Because yeah maybe other people in your family are not as tech savvy and you want to use the same ecosystem.

Also apps on Android usually have sane defaults so you don't necessarily have to make microdecisions in order to read an email.

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Post by hulitu »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #367
fx1994 wrote: post #329

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I never understood why one app has to cover everything. Apps are bloatware today. Same goes for Windows. All I wanted worked on 98SE or XP. How did OS get from 1GB to 30GB for listening music, surfing, some office, watching pictures? Ah yes, teams, onedrive, defender, firewall (I have my own hardware why do I need this forced) and other cloud integration no one asked for and if they ever forced only online account, t…

I asked for it. A lot less time spent doing tech support when backing up and restoring a device is as simple as logging into an iCloud account. Obviously, it shouldn’t be mandatory, but the ease of use surely benefits the majority of the population. Having to reinstall the operating system every now and then was not tenable.

> but the ease of use

You mean the ease of restoring Windows. Why do i have to click 2 times in Win 11 to select another window on the taskbar ?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

hulitu wrote: post #388
lotsofpulp wrote: post #367

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I asked for it. A lot less time spent doing tech support when backing up and restoring a device is as simple as logging into an iCloud account. Obviously, it shouldn’t be mandatory, but the ease of use surely benefits the majority of the population. Having to reinstall the operating system every now and then was not tenable.

> but the ease of use You mean the ease of restoring Windows. Why do i have to click 2 times in Win 11 to select another window on the taskbar ?

No clue, haven’t used Windows in over a decades.

But I mean ease of use, overall. Before, you have issues with your computing device, you have to troubleshoot how to get data off of it, transfer it, possible avoid malware, maybe have to pay someone to help you.

Now, you set it to backup to iCloud, and if something happens to the hardware you buy a new device and login, and you’re good to go. Or if it’s software, you might have to reinstall (I never have had to).

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Post by lotsofpulp »

resource_waste wrote: post #291
gregjor wrote: post #134

I think you haven’t considered the luxury goods aspect of higher-end phones. The majority of people buying new phones every year or two don’t carefully study specs, and don’t need to use a PC or laptop at all, or only need a “real” computer for work or specific tasks. Already smartphones serve as the primary internet access device for a majority of internet users. Sales of new phone models have a lot more to do with…

I think lots of people here have little understanding how expensive $600 to a stay at home mom or teen is. Getting an iphone says you got middle class money(even if it was $12/mo for the next 5 years). There are upper-middle class equivalents of this. Cars come to mind. It is interesting explaining to a middle class person why I have a $100 crappy phone. "My old one broke, and I have 4 of these $100 phones for my wif…

The cheapest iphones have been $400 or $430 for many, many years now.

Divided by the number of hours a phone is used, the amortized cost of having something you want is miniscule. This is the thing moms will be taking precious pictures of their kids with, video calling their families on, shopping for themselves and others, and even watching or listening to entertainment.

If there’s one thing that people can justify spending more on for more utility, it’s a smartphone. Obviously, I’m not referring to spending $1k more for a 1 TB Pro Max, but spending an extra $500 is going to make sense to many people for purposes outside of showing off.

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