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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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The article points out that even some in his own party have denounced the move. I’m no expert but I find it hard to believe there’s much pro-PRK sympathy in Seoul among a major political party. Considering this is making western news, it seems the president has over-played his hand. Hopefully this passes quickly.

CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law.

The AP article has already been updated too.

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Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

H.L. Mencken wrote it down well before Orwell. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

Amazing that while these insightful critiques about government and democracy appear to stand, Democracy also still appears to be nearly the best system that we've enacted to govern large bodies of people.

We suffer with inefficiency, majority tyranny, populism, short-term-itis, inequalities, and voter apathy which promotes less qualified people.

At least we usually have peaceful conflict resolution rather than firing squads. <3

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Oh, I agree that via the use of force he can do what he likes, at least so long as that force is loyal to him and other forces aren't stronger. It's just harder to create a veneer of the constitutional necessity of such a move when your own highest profile political allies apparently condemn it and pledge to "stop it with the people" instead of queuing up to rubber stamp it and do "this is a small problem with crimin…

This is looking stupider by the minute. You can't half ass a coup d'etat.

Yeah, feels like an act of desperation rather than a cunning plan. Didn't even get his own party on side, never mind influential foreign figures to recognise him as the legitimate leader, and it looks like troops who responded to his orders to attend Parliament didn't exactly follow them to the letter. Unanimous vote as well, so if anything it was any support he might have had in Parliament that was unable or unwilling to turn up.

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The MPs are being locked out from the National Assembly from overturning this coup: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/03/south-kore... For the South Korean population, the proper way to deal with this is a general strike. Do not work unless in absolutely vital sectors. Koreans here say that this is domestic. Hopefully it is and will be over soon. It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Uk…

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Not gonna happen in recent years, I suppose. PRC also needs US-designed and/or Taiwan-manufactured advanced chips. The possibility of war will ever decrease as long as more and more people wake up to the consequences.

I don't see why the need for advanced chips would prevent China from using its military on Taiwan. If anything, the US-led blockade of advanced chips to China will make it more likely for China to use force. If China can't get their hands on the most advanced TSMC chips, then why would they let the US do so and get too far ahead in AI? Both can't have them then.

> If anything, the US-led blockade of advanced chips to China will make it more likely for China to use force.

you watched too much MSM

1. the whole taiwan thing is just an excuse to force the united state to waste more resources on a topic selected and controlled by China. nothing is better at wasting US efforts by forcing it to keep investing borrowed $ in its military presence over 10,000km away from its mainland, nothing is affordable at such distance.

2. Taiwan doesn't make those ASML machines, they operate those imported machines very efficiently, that is all. China is playing a long game, trying to master and eventually control the full semiconductor supply chain at any cost by developing its own industrial bases. In such a big picture, Taiwan with what it has today is tiny, it doesn't worth such an invasion. With 1.4 billion population and its ongoing competitions with the US, China doesn't have the luxury to select which sectors or fields it must control - it has to control everything to just have its people employed on half decent pays.

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Yonhap (Korea state news) :

The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law.

Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it.

Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, according to the parliamentary speaker's office. [1]

[1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241204001651315

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> I seem to recall the leader of the last republic was De Gaulle. The first leader of the current republic was also De Gaulle. No, De Gaulle created the V republic with a military coup [1]. There were troops all over France, including paratroopers in Fontainebleau at 60km from Paris [0], while the "président du conseil" of the 4th republic transmitted peacefully the power to De Gaulle, to mitigate a civil war. Wikipe…

De Gaulle was called by the president of the 4th republic to counter the military insurgents. De Gaulle had sufficient charisma and status to calm down the military. When the military woke up again in 62 in Algiers, De Gaulle crushed them. You got it reversed.

> De Gaulle was called by the president of the 4th republic to counter the military insurgents.

Massu, who had gained prominence and authority when he ruthlessly suppressed Algerian militants, famously declared that unless de Gaulle was returned to power, the French Army would openly revolt.

> When the military woke up again in 62 in Algiers, De Gaulle crushed them.

Because then, the coup was directed against him!

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> if the opposition is controlling the parliament, isn't that the majority and isn't the opposition controlling the president? You're confusing prime ministers in parliamentary democracies, e.g. the UK with presidents [1]. [1] https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-betwee...

The point still stands, if you control the parliament, aren’t you the majority and the other side is the opposition? Or how is it defined who is the opposition?

In a presidential system the president’s party is the government and the other parties are the opposition. Doesn’t matter how many seats in parliament anyone has.

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The article points out that even some in his own party have denounced the move. I’m no expert but I find it hard to believe there’s much pro-PRK sympathy in Seoul among a major political party. Considering this is making western news, it seems the president has over-played his hand. Hopefully this passes quickly.

CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law.

Whether their attempt to overturn it is successful remains to be seen.

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What a time to be alive to see several major democracies in decline or turmoil all within the same time window.

"I'm sick of this" -- Sepultura (1993)

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