Sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between a ghost job and an interview that uses MS Teams on a bad day. Eventually headhunters will catch on and realize that MS Teams gives plausible deniability--"We invited the candidate to an interview but they never showed up".
Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#382I'm about a year into a mid-effort level job search. I work in a somewhat specialized technical field and am fairly senior (I think in FAANG-ese I'd be an maybe an L7 if I understand their levels correctly). So this means I'm looking for management, director, deputy CTO or CTO positions depending on the company. I have a track record making my company lots of money, and opening up new opportunities worth many multipl…
First of all, congrats on getting a new gig! With a few minor differences, your experience is similar to my own. So, clearly, you are not alone! I will note that one other blockage that you likely encountered but maybe didn't note or focus on which has hit me (in addition to other factors you cited): agism. I have been in the workforce for a little over 28 years, and 24 of those years has been in some sort of IT or digital or technical-related team...and most recently i have felt the tinge of agism ridiculously high - moreso while trying to get a job, but also in some (but not all) areas of my current dayjob. Its funny, when applying for jobs, and when speaking with some potential hiring managrers, HR, etc....you get the feeling from their questions...But when working with a team of any age, and you bring value to the team, then agism is not as much of a thing. There are times when one's aged wisdom is highly regarded and valued...and then other times - most especially during hiring processes - where it is considered a potential problem. Again, i'm so glad you got your new gig, but it sure is hell out there! :-)
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#383I once applied for a job that precisely matched my qualifications. It was crazy - the job description could have been written by someone looking at my CV. I didn't even get an interview. Likely no one did. It wasn't a ghost job, though. It was a position created for a someone they wanted to hire. Being a public institution, they were required to advertise positions. That didn't mean that they actually wanted any of t…
I had a similar situation/question. I knew an old coworker who was eagerly trying to get me on their team at another company. They said I had to apply and then they'd take it to their manager who was already on board with the idea.
So I did, at 10PM or so at night. And within a few minutes, got a rejection email.
To this day I wonder if someone clicked reject, or the system just autorejected me because of something it didn't like on my resume. Needless to say, I gave up on that idea.
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
This means small companies may not get good talent that value things besides salary (wfh, perks, fun project) and will have to compete with corporations for people who only cares about money. This may (or may not) impact startups
Stop it, no one "values things besides salary", and you know it.
Are you serious? I know quite clearly that people do value things besides salary!
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#385> Glassdoor is a credible source of information that has been cited
in previous empirical studies (Kim and Ra, 2022; Kyiu et al., 2023; Symitsi et al., 2018) and the ubiquity of the Internet in the job search process also lends statistical power to the Glassdoor data (Sockin and Sojourner, 2023).
Uh... just because it was cited previously (ie social proof) doesn't make it credible. And the "statistical power" study is orthogonal to this point at best. I understand that using LLMs is trendy right now, but they aren't magic, and I don't think there is any realistic way to get signal on "ghost" jobs without actual employment data.
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#38621% could just be recruiting companies posting jobs for their "clients" who may or may not have a role open.
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#387In EU, if you put an item on sale, you have to post the lowest price in the last 30 days to see if it's an actual sale or not (even though i'd consider 30 days a too short interval). Why not have a similar regulation for job postings? Require companies to publish all the job posting history for the last few years, all the positions advertised and the number of people hired for those positions. Prospective workers wou…
The problem with solutions like this is that they formalize the hiring process in ways that would be good for workers and the BLS but that capital hates and they're the ones in charge so it can't get done. This is something downstream of worker power, not a route to it.
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#388Hang on a minute. There is absolutely nothing in this research that measures the accuracy of this approach. A user saying "I was ghosted" is not, to my mind, proof of anything. Job seekers almost never actually know if the job was real or not, so it's hard to see how Glassdoor reviews can ever provide the insight this work is looking for. I do believe that "ghost" jobs exist, often for H1B purposes, but I don't think…
Yeah, but it looks official and confirmed my preexisting bias. So it's correct.
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#389I once applied for a job that precisely matched my qualifications. It was crazy - the job description could have been written by someone looking at my CV. I didn't even get an interview. Likely no one did. It wasn't a ghost job, though. It was a position created for a someone they wanted to hire. Being a public institution, they were required to advertise positions. That didn't mean that they actually wanted any of t…
Sometimes they also need to post the job to meet company policies. The hiring manger knows who they want to hire, but HR has requirements to post for various reasons.
This is how my wife got her most recent job. The hire was all but signed off on but HR required the posting be made company wide. They didn't have a requirement for how long the posting had to be open. She coordinated with the hiring manager to open the posting, she submitted her resume, and the posting was closed. All in about two minutes. HR got to tick a box though.
Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dislike this system as much as you do. Clearly the PERM cert is flawed. I suppose the system is working as intended, and I'm not sure what the drama is, although of course, from a human empathy point of view, I feel like the story is making you look like the worst actor in this scenario. That is unfair, but forgive me: you hold all the cards and occupy the most powerful position in the story, and you are framing it…
is this the situation of POSIWID
I’ve only had very limited experience with colleagues on OPT and my role as a hiring manager with an OPT visa holder.
There’s a big difference between a tech enabled agency, sometimes called a “body shop” - where you are B2B, you are someone’s lower cost option, you are a middleman - and a startup, where whatever you are developing - seemingly B2B, social media apps, hardware, biotech - in some form or another, your core business is capturing 90%+ margins on the LTVs of end users. With experience only in the startup style business, you ought to structure the economics of the deals to your employees such that they can buy what they want if everything works out, and all the incentives align.
So to me, it’s not super material, green card this, PERM certification that: if you make a ton of money, you can surmount any bureaucratic obstacle in this country. Is that the purpose of the system? A complex administrative problem like UCSIS policy and related politics cannot defeat the power of the almighty dollar. So for people who have agency, like startup CEOs, it’s possible to sincerely offer a path to citizenship in the US, in light of things like O1, E1, marriage, etc, that doesn’t break any laws, but only costs money.