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Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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It's not just images. I frequently get genAI word salad in the top three to five results when I google anything that could be considered a common question. You don't even realize at first when you start reading. Then it makes you start to question the things that aren't obviously genAI. You can sort of tell the kinds of things that a human might be wrong about, the ways in which they're wrong, how they sound when the…

I don't think the heuristics are that different. SEO-spam and BS content existed before, and both Google and YT were full of them, all made by human "content creators" who optimized for clicks and focused on gaming the YT recommendation system. AI content isn't that different. But unfortunately it's now 100x easier to generate such content, so we see a lot more of it. The problem is fundamentally a problem of incentives and the ad-based business model, not a problem of AI. AI has made the enshittification problem a lot more visible, but it existed before.

I don't know what the solution here is. My guess is that the "public internet" will become less and less relevant over time as it becomes overrun by low-quality content, and a lot of communication will move to smaller communities that rely heavily verifying human identity and credentials.

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This was probably always the likely outcome of an internet economy that revolves around the production and monetization of "content". We started by putting advertisements on existing content, then moved to social networking and social media, which was essentially an engine for crowdsourcing the production of greater amounts of content against which to show advertisements. Because money is up for grabs, producing cont…

> We started by putting advertisements on existing content, then moved to social networking and social media, which was essentially an engine for crowdsourcing the production of greater amounts of content against which to show advertisements.

I see a lot of people talk nostalgically about blogs, but they were an early example of the internet changing from ever green content to churning out articles on content farms. If people remember the early internet, it was more like browsing a library. You weren’t expecting most sites to get updated on a daily - or often even a monthly - basis. Articles were almost always organized by content, not by how recent they were.

Blogging’s hyper-focus on what’s new really changed a lot of that, and many sites got noticeably worse as they switched from focusing on growing a library of evergreen content to focusing on churning out new hits. Online discussions went through a similar process when they changed from forums to Reddit/HN style upvoting. I still have discussions on old forums that are over a decade old. After a few hours on Reddit or HN, the posts drop off the page and all discussion dies.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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A bit tangential, but it's interesting to see comments like "we should start hosting our own websites". We were discussing it with my friends, and it seems like there was a significant changes to what is considered as "cool" in terms of social validation. I understand that I'm dumbing it down right now, but it's not just AI that contributes to it. It's definitely accelerating this feeling though.

In early 2010s when Instagram, Twitter, Facebook started getting big, all the websites and apps had this process of discovery that you had to go through to make it fun for yourself. It obviously turned some people off of it, and made the onboarding a bit harder, but you needed to follow some people, send some friend requests, and in the end you would mostly see things you've actively wanted to see. Even when the algorithms started sorting the timelines, it would still be (mostly) within the things you've chosen to see. Even Youtube's recommendation algorithm was pretty simple, and it would suggest extremely similar videos.

I think it changed around 2016, when the algorithms started trying to determine what you like, based on your interaction with other things, rather than your explicit action of saying "i want stuff from this person/channel/etc.". I'm sure a significant chunk of us have worked on similar algorithms, so you get the gist of it. But this change resulted in users getting attention from the global audience (because in order for algo to detect what you like, it has to throw in suggestions from everywhere).

I get that forums have existed for decades, and people were getting Reddit karma since 2000s, but it was still more deliberate action when you wanted to see something. TikTok, YouTube and Instagram changed the entire playing field in the last 6 years or so, where your real life "social score" didn't have to be depend on whom you know in real world for anyone. It translates into - you can generate posts, content, whatever you wanna call it, for everyone rather than actively getting someone's attention. Like, going viral on YouTube was a big thing at some point. There's some ongoing meme-like comments saying "you would be invited to Ellen's show in 2010", which is kinda true because breaking out of the "only seen by people whom you know" box was extremely rare.

Well, now, everyone, technically has a chance, which incentivizes people to constantly push out content. It doesn't matter, if you're doing it for just social media clout, or financial motives, and etc. It's just possible for something to go "big", albeit for minuscule benefits from it. So there's constant churn of... content. And now AI is just making it even simpler to create such content. But again, resulting in even further decrease of social importance of such pictures/videos/texts.

I understand there's always a group of people that "write/create/paint for themselves", which I understand. I'm on a similar boat. But the if majority of creators have different incentives, the platforms will cater for them. And in this case, platform is the whole Internet, and incentives are "financial, and seeking global attention". Right now, it takes about a minute to create a video and post it on any of the websites, which was basically impossible back in the day. That barrier of entry, combined with one's deliberate discovery what, I think, was making the internet look more fun.

I'm not touching the subject of ad-infestation in every corner, and it definitely accelerated the downward spiral of average quality of content. But in the end, I blame ourselves for choosing this path, because we could've put pressure on global-algorithms of YouTube, TikTok, and etc. We chose to not to do so, because, well, it still gives us dopamine hits.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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This was probably always the likely outcome of an internet economy that revolves around the production and monetization of "content". We started by putting advertisements on existing content, then moved to social networking and social media, which was essentially an engine for crowdsourcing the production of greater amounts of content against which to show advertisements. Because money is up for grabs, producing cont…

>This was probably always the likely outcome of an internet economy that revolves around the production and monetization of "content".

hasn't publishing since Gutenberg been driven by the monetization of content? Looking at the history of the Catholic Church, potentially before that too.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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This was probably always the likely outcome of an internet economy that revolves around the production and monetization of "content". We started by putting advertisements on existing content, then moved to social networking and social media, which was essentially an engine for crowdsourcing the production of greater amounts of content against which to show advertisements. Because money is up for grabs, producing cont…

> We started by putting advertisements on existing content, then moved to social networking and social media, which was essentially an engine for crowdsourcing the production of greater amounts of content against which to show advertisements. I see a lot of people talk nostalgically about blogs, but they were an early example of the internet changing from ever green content to churning out articles on content farms.…

That's a fascinating perspective. I imagine A blog should do something like press releases and describe and progress made on the actual website or plans for-. Forums should then play with ideas and chat is for hammering out details that are hard to communicate or overly noisy and for talking about stuff unrelated to the project.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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Spam (created by humans) evolves. So do humans. If Google prioritizes AI slop, Google will be deprioritized.

Already is. I suggest everybody else de-google as well.

I tried the same search on DDG and Bing, and saw a variety of the same fake images on both. The monster is already past the gate.

Re: Nearly all of the Google images results for "baby peacock" are AI generated

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post #332

This was probably always the likely outcome of an internet economy that revolves around the production and monetization of "content". We started by putting advertisements on existing content, then moved to social networking and social media, which was essentially an engine for crowdsourcing the production of greater amounts of content against which to show advertisements. Because money is up for grabs, producing cont…

I’ve been idly wondering about something like the Web of Trust. A social network where users vouch for one another's actually-a-real-humanness. There could be setting that let you adjust the size of the network you see (people you’ve actually met? One remove from that?)

Why does it matter that the user is a human, especially if you can't tell the difference?
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