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Sanding UI
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#382I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…
I can name multiple Facebook features that have been broken for months. Temporary profile pictures most annoyingly of all. They stopped working close to a year ago. They simply never change back. No one's sanding anything there.
Hate how it loses its place on the page and reloads when you zoom into a picture on mobile. I mean you have to go far out of your way to f’up that bad.
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#383I don't understand why putting the inside the is so unpopular. It completely avoids these problems and you don't need to come up with a unique id to use with 'for'.
I don't think it is "unpopular", the contrary in fact. It's just the best practice to stick to bronze-age standards, since reportedly there are still couple of assistive technologies that do not interpret the new perfectly valid and standardised pattern [1]: > Both Dragon Naturally Speaking for Windows, and Voice Control for macOS and iOS, don’t recognize implicit association, so the [nesting input inside label witho…
That's an argument for continuing to add the "for" and "id" attributes (or for making the association is some other way accessibility software understands)...
But not for keeping the input outside of the label.
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#384On the inputs.. for radio/checkbox, I prefer to wrap inside the label element.
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You do want an inner if you want to stylize the input control as an inline-block depending on your needs. For general use, with the native controls, the inner span isn't necessary, I still prefer it by convention.
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#385This post demonstrates why I hate UI programming. The number of unpredictable, niggling little things that can go wrong exceeds my patience for dealing with them. I kind of enjoy thinking through the ways something might fail and writing tests to catch them, but aimlessly clicking around to see if anything breaks feels haphazard and annoying.
Is UI construction inherently that complex, or have we just not found the right programming model yet? Is it unreasonable to wish that sometimes things would just look and work the way I intended on the first try?
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think so, correct me if I’m wrong: an ARIA attribute that might fit here would be aria-labelledby (sic), but per MDN > Note that while using aria-labelledby is similar in this situation to using an HTML element with the for attribute, there are some very important differences. The aria-labelledby attribute only defines the accessible name. It doesn't provide any of 's other functionality, such as making click…
Having done a lot of accessibility consulting in the past (granted it was a long time ago now), we were instructed to use the aria-label attribute to provide the same text as the label. Since I do mostly asp.net mvc, I created a bunch of "Accessible" extension methods off the HtmlHelper object. This would output something like: My Checkbox This is a bad example since the primary reason for not giving IDs is because i…
Ah interesting, I figured that a properly set and identified label element would suffice - I haven’t noticed our sniffer complaining yet we also strictly use the for attribute and don’t wrap controls that I’m aware of. Thanks for the insight!
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#387This post demonstrates why I hate UI programming. The number of unpredictable, niggling little things that can go wrong exceeds my patience for dealing with them. I kind of enjoy thinking through the ways something might fail and writing tests to catch them, but aimlessly clicking around to see if anything breaks feels haphazard and annoying. Is UI construction inherently that complex, or have we just not found the r…
It is not that complex. The nice ways to describe UI in code do exist. It is a business problem of a zero-sum game, where cross-platform UI is prohibitively expensive when it’s not done on the ugliest UI stack (HTML/CSS/JS).
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#388I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…
Azure Standard has an incredibly polished experience for shopping. It's not _perfect_ (if you know where to put your hands you can find a place that isn't perfectly sanded) but the sheer level of smoothness across the transaction flow is unmatched by anything else I have ever had the pleasure of using in the "online shopping" category.
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#389This post demonstrates why I hate UI programming. The number of unpredictable, niggling little things that can go wrong exceeds my patience for dealing with them. I kind of enjoy thinking through the ways something might fail and writing tests to catch them, but aimlessly clicking around to see if anything breaks feels haphazard and annoying. Is UI construction inherently that complex, or have we just not found the r…
In this case (web) it’s a result of too low granularity without anything that could help a developer interested in proper ui. Simply too much work to just catch up.
You can see the same in other areas. E.g. if there’s no easy way to send a request or parametrize to a query, people will invent all sorts of half assed ways to do that, even if mindful about it, due to natural pressures.
Web platform is absolutely bleeding edge graphics, but actually dogshit ui. And no one has nerve to admit it and make a change because people believe in the first part and then legacy and complexity of browsers prohibit it. And when you do it as a lib, it’s not “standard”, so nobody cares.
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#390I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…
Just browsed McMaster. What a clean interface! Very easy to drill in and see what you are looking for. Compare that with the promotion of paid ads on the many major e-commerce platforms.