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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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> the recent military-like tribunals the Brits were very quick to put in place as a result of the protests there Citation needed. No mention seen in UK national press.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/08/15/s...

They convicted 54 people in two weeks. I guess "military like" means that trials and convictions were specifically expedited for right wing rioters on request of the neo elected prime minister.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Private chats are a hassle to initiate and not multi-device. Most use normal chats. With anonymous accounts, using anonymous +888 numbers, whose price has increased from $16 to $1000+ in a matter of a year, it is indeed a very convenient playground for all sorts of activities.

Aren't open source apps like Jabber or Element which do not require a phone number and allow to host your own server, a much better playground?

Yes, and XMPP over Tor already seems to be popular on the dark web.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Where did it start out of curiosity?

With its creation, by which I mean Lisbon Treaty. Before that EU was basically just a free trade zone, after Lisbon the eurocrats took over, trying to turn EU into socialist's version of heaven on Earth.

Do you think individual countries can or will want to either limit the EU’s scope to make it far less invasive than today?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. He’s not accused of terrorism, drug, or slaving directly. Very interesting to see where it will all go. I don’t understand how they’re going to convince French judges that he’s guilty for not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for…

> According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. With the context that you omitted it makes more sense: Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with law enforcement and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable numbers, cryptocurrencies...) makes it an accomplice to drug trafficking, pedo-criminal offenses and swindling.

That's probably exaggeration or straight lie. There are open-source messengers who don't even require a phone number, and phone number is not legally required for registration in most countries (but, for example, in Russia you cannot signup users in a messenger without getting their phone number. So those open source messengers are technically outright illegal).

As for moderation, any post in public or private groups can be reported to moderators. As for one-to-one chats, this might not work, but you should not be chatting with random people anyway.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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It’ll be interesting to see if the likes of Marlinspike, Firefox, EFF, etc., rally to support this guy. It’s really chilling to see the steps EU gobs are taking against free speech. In some ways they seem more authoritarian than even China and Russia. It’s like “free world” is becoming a farce.

He has different opinions on a few things than them, so they'll either completely ignore him, at best, or actively cheer the French for taking him out

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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What do you mean by "knowingly providing a service to a criminal"? Is Elon Mask then guilty for providing access to Twitter for Trump?

Well much like the owner of omegle found out you can't provide platforms for criminal activities and make no effort to curb it. It only takes a 30 second google before you find telegram rooms offering all kinds of illegal stuff. You don't find that on Twitter. Twitter is atleast mildly moderated. Telegram could have moderation built in to catch illegal activities but it chooses to do nothing. See the difference?

> It only takes a 30 second google before you find telegram rooms offering all kinds of illegal stuff.

For fun, I tried that and was unsuccessful, at least in the allotted time.

Google turned up many third-party references to illegal activity on Telegram, but that's not the same thing.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Until the phone number is disconnected completely from the account I am certain these message services are either lying or honeypots.

You can have end to end encryption without a phone number. To require it means you're opening up possibilities of State and location tracking.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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This is an insanely big developing story.

> This is an insanely big developing story. For people in tech

Well.... it might (unlikely, but...) have implications for the Russian military forces in Ukraine, who are widely using it for communications (even for things like targeting artillery with drone spotters).

Interestingly (and understandably I guess, given the original nationality of the current CEO), the Ukrainian military are mostly using Signal, and the Russian military almost exclusively use Telegram.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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The problem is not with communication with the outer world. The problem with other messengers is that everything you type there is monitored by CIA/NSA and Ukraine has access to this information. Telegram right now is the only secure messenger that doesn't leak them data on Russian citizens.

and the Russian govt has carte blanche access to Telegram. Russia invaded their sovereign neighbour Ukraine who the f cares about their forums for messaging. yawn.

> and the Russian govt has carte blanche access to Telegram

That hardly corresponds with Durov's relationships and history with Russian government.

> Russia invaded their sovereign neighbour Ukraine who the f cares about their forums for messaging. yawn.

What does one even have to do with the other? Feels like obsessing a bit too much over a single topic.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One detail that's missing from the English article is why he got arrested. The French article mentions: Why was he under threat of a search warrant? The Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with law enforcement and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable numbers, cryptocurrencies...) makes him an accomplice to drug trafficking, child-crime offenses and swindling.

Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)? Or does it refer to public channels only?

It means the post office is next, followed by the phone company.
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