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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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post #53

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Buying something at a low price and selling it at a high price is arbitrage 101 and is free money. The "true solution" is to sell tickets at their actual market price instead of pretending that the face value of concert tickets isn't increasing due to a larger population and greater demand.

It's interesting how the real problem here is that our economic system has no way to sell a product at what the seller will bear, only what the buyer will bear. I think this is a fascinating feature, a lot of artists would be more than happy to make $X for a show so that their fans can come see them. The problem ends up that a free market has no mechanism for that, the artist can sell the tickets such that they end u…

If you have 10,000 people willing to pay $X to see a concert, but you only have 5000 seats to sell at $X, not everyone is going to get a ticket.

Our economic system (arbitrage!) increases the price of the apple by $N until only one person is willing to buy that apple at $X+N.

If you make arbitrage illegal and implement a price ceiling at $X, one of two things will happen. If $N is greater than the cost of breaking the rules, people will start a black market to sell at $X+N (like in many communist countries). As mentioned in the article, this is already occurring with Ticketmaster because they take such a large tax on tickets; arbitrageurs are realizing they can avoid Ticketmaster's system by just sending around PDFs.

If $N is less than the cost of breaking the rules (Ticketmaster benefits from $N>$X), there will be shortages of seats because not everyone willing to pay $X for a seat can get one.

The market system works great when people who derive the most value from tickets are the ones who pay the most money. This works even better with arbitrage because people can just pay what they value the ticket at.

The market failure here is caused by wealth inequality, because there are people with unfathomable amounts of money who will pay tens of thousands of dollars to see a musician they sort of like.

Personally, I like how box seats deal with the problem. They have a high level of luxury that costs little to implement compared to price + is very scalable (you can stack boxes directly on top of each other and you're paying more to sit farther away!), and that's helping soak up a lot of demand.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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The scalper provides no value to the market The scalper allows the devoted fan who is gladly willing to pay $X+N to actually get a ticket rather than having to wake up at 6am and repeatedly refresh the site and probably still not get one. I find market failures like this fascinating because it really shows the limits of how "free" markets operate. How would central planning handle this better? There are more people w…

A devoted fan will have no issue to wake up a 6am and try to buy a ticket. They'll have more chance to get one if they don't have to compete with scalpers. Half the tickets could be sold as first arrived, first served, and half as a lottery system. The ratio might be adjusted. If we agree that scalpers are a problem, we can make it illegal to resell ticket over the original price. Enforcement is always a problem, so…

> To grantee having a ticket with this system, a wealthy or connected devoted fan can have private arrangement with the artist manager or event organizer to get tickets.

This is the system we have right now. Ticketmaster is the event organizer.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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post #233

What's the deal with PDF417? Why did they choose it over QR?

Perhaps a better question is: Why not PDF417? What functional improvement would be had by using a 2D QR code?

PDF417 has non-square pixels (or rather as it's called in barcode nomenclature "modules") which feels very janky - it was meant for linear scanners after all.

Oh, and quoting Wikipedia:

In practice, a PDF417 symbol takes about four times the area of a DataMatrix or QR Code.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Can you provide a source for artists getting a cut of the greater-than-MSRP resale market?

Why shouldn't the artists get a cut of the greater-than-MSRP resale? Yeah, I realize that some pretend that the MSRP is the real price, but if anyone should get a cut of the jacked up fees, it should the people on the stage or producing the show.

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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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I am sure this is pointed out elsewhere, but ticketmasters business model is based on lying to the public so that the artists and venues don’t have to. Taylor Swift is a nice-ish person and wants her fans to think they can buy tickets for her shows at about 25 bucks because that’s a lot of money for a 12 year old and she does not want to alienate her fans. Her manager is an evil cackling bastard and wants to get as m…

As much as I dislike Ticketmaster this is pure conspiracy unless you provide sources

Even if it's true it's a conspiracy

> Conspiracy

> a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

It could be true but Ticketmaster is explainable by the purely mundane evil of a monopoly. I could be convinced but I too would want evidence.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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People always cite exclusivity deals / monopoly power when it comes to Ticketmaster's dominance, but I also recall reading post-mortems about several failed competitors that indicate the problem Ticketmaster solves (massive spikey demand with strict guarantees on the seats selected) is quite technically challenging. I know, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to solve, you're probably already thinking how you would do it. But you can't ignore that many others have tried and failed.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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I am sure this is pointed out elsewhere, but ticketmasters business model is based on lying to the public so that the artists and venues don’t have to. Taylor Swift is a nice-ish person and wants her fans to think they can buy tickets for her shows at about 25 bucks because that’s a lot of money for a 12 year old and she does not want to alienate her fans. Her manager is an evil cackling bastard and wants to get as m…

Sounds great. Won't be going to any ticketmaster events ever, and you shouldn't either.

I, too, love a good Tuvan throat death-metal band in the outer suburbs of Ulaanbaatar.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Last minute / next day fares have traditionally been far more expensive than 3 week advance, and that was intended to impact business travel more than leisure. If there was a 3rd party marketplace for airline tickets, last minute tickets would not be nearly as expensive and the airlines would make far less money. Consider an example where we have a business traveler "Bob" and a leisure traveler "Larry". Bob needs to…

Okay, but how many business flights are actually last-minute like that? Whenever I've flown for work reasons the tickets were bought at least a week in advance, and usually 3+ weeks in advance. Likewise, there are plenty of non-business flights booked last-minute like that, too - like, as a personal example, needing to book a same-night flight to help a family member drive cross-country with her kids and personal bel…

I would guess most of your exposure to business travel is within tech or consulting, which rarely require last-minute booking. I would imagine most last-minute bookings for business travel come from people in sales. I’ve seen many sales people find out a prospective client is open to meet and immediately hop on a flight just to potentially make a sale. The opportunity cost is worth it even for small businesses. My exposure to this was for wholesale and retail distribution of consumer electronics but I’d imagine that this would apply to any business with a sales team.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scalper provides no value to the market The scalper allows the devoted fan who is gladly willing to pay $X+N to actually get a ticket rather than having to wake up at 6am and repeatedly refresh the site and probably still not get one. I find market failures like this fascinating because it really shows the limits of how "free" markets operate. How would central planning handle this better? There are more people w…

A devoted fan will have no issue to wake up a 6am and try to buy a ticket. They'll have more chance to get one if they don't have to compete with scalpers. Half the tickets could be sold as first arrived, first served, and half as a lottery system. The ratio might be adjusted. If we agree that scalpers are a problem, we can make it illegal to resell ticket over the original price. Enforcement is always a problem, so…

"A devoted fan will have no issue to wake up a 6am and try to buy a ticket."

Oh really? What if they are at work at 6am? So take a day off work? You just greatly increased the dollar cost of the ticket, which is exactly the thing you are trying not to do. And even if they take the day off to click at 6am they aren't guaranteed to get a ticket because of everyone else clicking at 6am. There's always a cost

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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I am sure this is pointed out elsewhere, but ticketmasters business model is based on lying to the public so that the artists and venues don’t have to. Taylor Swift is a nice-ish person and wants her fans to think they can buy tickets for her shows at about 25 bucks because that’s a lot of money for a 12 year old and she does not want to alienate her fans. Her manager is an evil cackling bastard and wants to get as m…

Can you provide a source for artists getting a cut of the greater-than-MSRP resale market?

There was a trial in 2009 that had Katy Perry’s contract with Ticketmaster released into the open - cannot find it at the moment but it was explicit about how many tickets would be available for her to sell etc

This is all open and documented in the upcoming prosecution by US attorney - also cannot find atm

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