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Last I tried it, iCloud for Windows didn't integrate with Firefox, though.
Or Linux.
I don't think Apple minds.
Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#382I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.
You'd try Bitwarden...
I love the idea, pricing and open source nature of Bitwarden, but it's only good if you haven't used 1Password. Personally I was very critical about 1Passwords migration to Electron, but it has been really good to be honest. My assumption was that they had dropped the Electron plans, because I absolutely did not notice the change.
Bitwarden still fails to correctly identify basic username/password fields, but 1Password gets it right every single time.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#383I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.
1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.
I still use 1Password 7
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#384Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…
> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want.
No. Please stop being speaker for most of the whole world.
There are people, including me or my wife who is not technical at all, who will never use anything similar from Apple. Or any similar SSO/access/security platform. Google and FB tried that decade+ ago, only fools fell for that regretful trap if the service has actually any long term added value.
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I don’t really understand this kind of comments that complain without any specifics. Worse how? I use two family subscriptions and a corporate one for many years and haven’t noticed any regression in functionality or UX. They release time to time minor quality of life improvements and continue supporting modern platforms. 1P7 to 1P8 upgrade went without any problems on all platforms I use. IMO this is the best passwo…
Safari extension works half the time at best. Sometimes it doesn't start working without restarting the browser after it crashes. Cancelled my sub last night after many years. I don't mind the price, or electron or anything, I just wanted it to fill the passwords in my browser reliably.
I feel your pain. It used to reliably save and fill passwords. It’s a huge mess that doesn’t even work.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#386Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
> Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms.
No, it's not Apple's problem, let alone be a big problem. Apple does not like to provide services for free on other platforms and isn't even very good at doing it for paid services. This passwords app is meant for those who use and depend on Apple's ecosystem, not as a generic competition for other password managers.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…
> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. No. Please stop being speaker for most of the whole world. There are people, including me or my wife who is not technical at all, who will never use anything similar from Apple. Or any similar SSO/access/security platform. Google and FB tried that decade+ ago, only fools fell for that regretful trap if the service has actually any long term added value.
He did say ‘I think’ so not speaking for the whole world
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#388Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
The other big problem is that in the case that you get on Apple’s bad side for whatever reason, you now lose your passwords to everything.
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> On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. Now that many sites are moving to passkeys or TOTPs, it would be great if Apple could not lock users in there as well. > Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms That's only on Windows and requires you to install iCloud tools locally, right?
What is the adoption for passkeys? I do not get the impression that they will replace passwords or “social” logins anytime soon.
I have yet to notice a site asking me a passkey.
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People are driven away from open standards to vendors like Apple because so much open stuff just sucks so goddamn bad . So will Apple one day fuck me over? Perhaps, but in the meantime their shit just works and I am going to use it because I don’t have time to spend hours troubleshooting why manufacturer A doesn’t work with free publisher B when free driver C is loaded.
Ive watched people who swear that Apple "just works" struggle when it doesnt. The difference is just that because of the halo effect they dont blame Apple for the shit that doesnt work. If there is a 3rd party tangentially involved they blame them instead.
The difference (in my experience) is if it works with Apple, it "just works". If it doesn't work, it will never work.
It's a binary and you generally know the answer straight away.
Some people dislike it because they enjoy looking for answers and the freedom to change how things work. Others like it because they don't want to spend their time searching and mucking about with configurations.