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Re: Veo

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Post by rzmmm »

imachine1980_ wrote: post #347
ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

Stock videos are indeed crucial, especially now that we can easily search for precisely what we need. Take, for instance, the scene at the end of 'Look Up' featuring a native American dance in Peru. The dancer's movements were captured from a stock video, and the comet falling was seamlessly edited in. now imagine having near infinite stock videos tailored to the situation.

Stock photographers are already having issues with piracy due to very powerful AI watermark removal tools. And I suspect the companies are using content of these people to train these models too. .

Re: Veo

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Post by miki123211 »

mrcwinn wrote: post #373

OpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.

Google and Apple also have an "API access" advantage. It is similar to the ecosystem advantage but goes beyond it; Google and Apple restrict third-party app makers from access to crucial APIs like receiving and reading texts or interacting with onscreen content from other apps. I think that may turn out to be the most important advantage of them all. This should be a far bigger concern for antitrust regulators than petty squabbles over in-app purchases. Spotify and Netflix are possible (if slightly inconvenient) to use on iOS, a fully-featured AI assistant coming from somebody who isn't Apple is not.

Google (and to a lesser extend also Microsoft and Meta) also have a data advantage, they've been building search engines for years, and presumably have a lot more in-house expertise on crawling the web and filtering the scraped content. Google can also require websites which wish to appear in Google search to also consent to appearing in their LLM datasets. That decision would even make sense from a technical perspective, it's easier and cheaper to scrape once and maintain one dataset than to have two separate scrapers for different purposes.

Then there's the bias problem, all of the major AI companies (except for Mistral) are based in California and have mostly left-leaning employees, some of them quite radical and many of them very passionate about identity politics. That worldview is inconsistent with a half of all Americans and the large majority of people in other countries. This particularly applies to the identity politics part, which just isn't a concern outside of the English-speaking world. That might also have some impact on which AI companies people choose, although I suspect far less so than the previous two points.

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Post by mirekrusin »

mrcwinn wrote: post #373

OpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.

Not mentioning Meta, the good guy now, is scandalous.

X is not going to sit quietly as well.

There is also the rest of us.

Re: Veo

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

I was hoping to see more.. I logged in and was greeted by a waiting list for videos. Since I was disappointed already, I figured I might as well spend some time on other, hopefully usable, features. So I moved to pictures.

First, randomly selected 'feeling lucky' prompt got rejected, because it did not meet some criteria and pop-up helpfully listed FAQ to explain to me how I should be more sensitive to the program. I found it amusing.

Then I played with a couple of images, but it was nothing really exciting one way or another.

I guess you can color me disappointed overall. And no, I don't consider videos on repeat sufficient.

Re: Veo

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Post by rjh29 »

Octokiddie wrote: post #377

Oddly enough, I predict the final destination for this train will be for moving images to fade into the background. Everything will have a dazzling sameness to it. It's not unlike the weird place that action movies and pop music have arrived. What would have been considered unbelievable a short time ago has become bland. It's probably more than just novelty that's driving the comeback of vinyl.

Even this site just did not impress me. I feel like it's all stuff I could easily imagine myself. True creativity is someone with a unique mind creating something you would never had thought of.

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Post by xNeil »

mrcwinn wrote: post #373

OpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.

>Google and Apple have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation.

I'm assuming you mean reputation as in general opinion among developers? Because Google's probably been the most innovative company of the 21st century so far.

Re: Veo

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Post by cryptoz »

paxys wrote: post #370
arcticbull wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly the Veo example of the northern lights is a really interesting one. That's not what the northern lights look like to the naked eye - they're actually pretty grey. The really bright greens and even the reds really only come out when you take a photo of them with a camera. Of course the model couldn't know that because, well, it only gets trained on photos. Gets really existential - simulacra energy - maybe a…

That's not true at all. I have seen northern lights with my own eyes that were more neon green and bright purple than any mainstream photo.

There's a middle ground here. I saw the northern lights with my own eyes just days ago and it was mostly grey. I saw some color. But when I took a photo with a phone camera, the color absolutely popped. So it may be that you've seen more color than any photo, but the average viewer in Seattle this past weekend saw grey-er with their eyes and huge color in their phone photos.

(Edit: it was still super-cool even if grey-ish, and there was absolutely beautiful colors in there if you could find your way out of the direct city lights)

Re: Veo

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Post by jmathai »

Octokiddie wrote: post #377

Oddly enough, I predict the final destination for this train will be for moving images to fade into the background. Everything will have a dazzling sameness to it. It's not unlike the weird place that action movies and pop music have arrived. What would have been considered unbelievable a short time ago has become bland. It's probably more than just novelty that's driving the comeback of vinyl.

It's a lot more than novelty. It's dedicating the attention span needed to listen to an album track by track without skipping to another song or another artist. If that sounds dumb, give it time and you'll get there also.

It's not just technology though. Globalization has added so many layers between us and the objects we interact with.

I think Etsy was a bit ahead of their time. It's no longer a marketplace for handcrafted goods - it got overrun by mass produced goods masquerading as something artisan. I think the trend is continuing and in 5-10 years we'll be tired of cheap and plentiful goods.

Re: Veo

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Post by aaron695 »

ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

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