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Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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I thought Russia's hypersonic missiles were a failure, with the Ukrainians shooting them down with 30 year old Patriot missiles? There were a lot of articles about it last year, here's one: https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2023/09/what-ukraines-...

That was fake news. https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/05/14/confirmed-ukraine-ly... Additionally, Iran claims that Israel did not intercept any of the hypersonic missiles they fired at Israel. NATO does not possess any hypersonic missiles. Some people might say that NATO is keeping them secret, but that makes no sense. Nations exhibit their technologies as a deterrent.

Further explanation of how it is impossible for a Patriot missile to intercept a Kinzhal. https://sputnikglobe.com/20230510/fact-check-ukraine-didnt-s...

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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That was fake news. https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/05/14/confirmed-ukraine-ly... Additionally, Iran claims that Israel did not intercept any of the hypersonic missiles they fired at Israel. NATO does not possess any hypersonic missiles. Some people might say that NATO is keeping them secret, but that makes no sense. Nations exhibit their technologies as a deterrent.

Further explanation of how it is impossible for a Patriot missile to intercept a Kinzhal. https://sputnikglobe.com/20230510/fact-check-ukraine-didnt-s...

Those are not credible sources.

From the theinteldrop link: "several sources within the Russian military and defense industry told the newspaper Izvestia on Saturday"

From the sputnikglobe link: "Moscow-based military expert Alexey Leonkov told Sputnik"

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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It's impressive how much hardware they've been able to develop. Their "Fury", which they acquired from Blue Force, is "a single engine business jet with no cabin." It was originally intended as a target drone, something for fighter pilots to practice against. Anduril repurposed it as an autonomous weapons system. They do mean autonomous. Their slogan is "Autonomy for Every Mission". We're seeing the future of warfare…

I don't think we as laypeople should even attempt to draw conclusions from Ukrainian battlefields ourselves, seeing how strong the survivorship bias is. Take FPV drones. In [1] Michael Kofman estimates (based on talking to a number of frontline units) that on average Or TB2s. Remember how they were the future of warfare after their success in Nagorno-Karabakh and the first few weeks in Ukraine? Few months later TB2s…

Ain't basic fpv drones around half the price of a 155mm HE shell?

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Your timeframe is a bit off. Piston powered aircraft were not in use in the US military 30 years ago. 30 years ago was 1994. We had B2 bombers, and the F22 was in full development. Also Boeing was developing the F-32 (which lost out to the F-35) in the mid 90's, so it's conceivable that an engineer on that program might still be around in some role.

As a minor point of no real consequence the Cessna T-41 Mescalero has been in service in the US airforce and army from 1964 until today, and I've been told the Diamond DA20 Katana is in indirect service via a through a civilian contract that screens prospective pilots. Weird nitpick, I know. There's also a slew of drones that may or may not use efficient small piston engines or rotary varients which may or may not co…

The Battle of Beersheba ties two worlds together: on the one hand both sides were using aerial reconnaissance (akin to this 2024 thread), on the other the australian 12th channeled their inner Alexander and galloped through a gap directly to their victory condition (akin to Gaugamela 331 BC).

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Ukraine is constantly inventing new techniques that are re-thinking what drones can do. Recently they have been using them to drop spikes to slow vehicles which are then hit by a second set of drones. At some point soon these drones will have specialised capabilities and will go out in swarms to autonomously figure out how to take down objects.

Aren’t these drones regular cots drones with some modification? Wouldn’t taking the door off a microwave and pointing it at the drone cause it to fall to the ground? Surely it’s more complex than that and I’m missing something.

No. That’s been tried already lol.

You can jam the signal, but you can work around signal jamming in software by having it back off or gain altitude.

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SOCOM allegedly uses : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3Harris_OA-1K_Sky_Warden It looks like someone is abusing a small prop plane that's normally used for crop dustin and just duct taping some cheap weapons to it. Because that's exactly what it is

Heh - hardened crop duster. I'm getting strong PAC 750XL family vibes from that, we had a modified version hardened to fly 80 m drapes across all of Mali some years back .. locals were taking random potshots as it passed over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_MO5Wfomks

Can't SOCOM afford the good stuff?

Our civilian aerospace industry had a scandal a decade or two back because apparently various African countries were buying our trainers, discovering that as shipped the trim was a little off, and rebalancing by mounting MGs in the too-light-because-it-was-empty space.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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I don't think we as laypeople should even attempt to draw conclusions from Ukrainian battlefields ourselves, seeing how strong the survivorship bias is. Take FPV drones. In [1] Michael Kofman estimates (based on talking to a number of frontline units) that on average Or TB2s. Remember how they were the future of warfare after their success in Nagorno-Karabakh and the first few weeks in Ukraine? Few months later TB2s…

Ain't basic fpv drones around half the price of a 155mm HE shell?

250-300$ build cost if you buy components in bulk. Not counting the payload itself.

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> And, unfortunately, the worse for Ukraine In what way would having the whole of Ukraine annexed like Crimea be better for Ukraine?

gee what a mystery. how about no more bloodshed for starters.

The bloodshed would not end. The Russians are hell bent on ethnic cleansing, as can be evidenced by Bucha and several other places I’ve actually been to.

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Heh - hardened crop duster. I'm getting strong PAC 750XL family vibes from that, we had a modified version hardened to fly 80 m drapes across all of Mali some years back .. locals were taking random potshots as it passed over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_MO5Wfomks

Can't SOCOM afford the good stuff? Our civilian aerospace industry had a scandal a decade or two back because apparently various African countries were buying our trainers, discovering that as shipped the trim was a little off, and rebalancing by mounting MGs in the too-light-because-it-was-empty space.

These are the "good stuff" .. for various data gathering activities you do not want a fast high flying jet, you want a slow close to ground platform travelling at sub 70 m/s speeds to maximise "dwell time" over each ground point (while not travelling so slow as to fall out of the bloody sky).

Crop dusters carry weight, excel at STOL (Short Takeoff and Landing) on "Oh shit, that's not a runway".

US Special Operations Command is into the sneaky stuff - intelligence gathering, quick in | out person on ground infil and exfiltrates.

Stubby little planes that pull like tractors and can depart flying upside down underneath a bridge are ideal, they get overshot by fighter jets and have engines too cold for air to air missiles (fingers crossed).

Re: Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unmanned fighter jets

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Can't SOCOM afford the good stuff? Our civilian aerospace industry had a scandal a decade or two back because apparently various African countries were buying our trainers, discovering that as shipped the trim was a little off, and rebalancing by mounting MGs in the too-light-because-it-was-empty space.

These are the "good stuff" .. for various data gathering activities you do not want a fast high flying jet, you want a slow close to ground platform travelling at sub 70 m/s speeds to maximise "dwell time" over each ground point (while not travelling so slow as to fall out of the bloody sky). Crop dusters carry weight , excel at STOL (Short Takeoff and Landing) on "Oh shit, that's not a runway". US Special Operations…

> too cold for air to air missiles

I'm guessing that these days there are two kinds of airborne objects: multi-modal drones and targets.

Oddly enough, heat seeking air to air came in ca.1950s, so self-flying has been around a while, and now people (especially those with heavy logistics requirements) are talking about land based self-driving, but shouldn't the seas be an intermediate problem? Where did all the self-sailing vessels go?

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