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AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by mathgorges »

komali2 wrote: post #377
mathgorges wrote: post #155

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> sounds cool, now what can we do with that to make it into music? So a human using the tools of sound production is what transforms the function output into music. (Please let me know if I’m misunderstanding you). I think I see what you’re saying, but that’s already happened here hasn’t it? I mean, it's not as though an AI made the decision to generate this all by itself, a human had an idea to create this piece and…

> but the same could be said of conducting an orchestra versus playing a piano. Conducting an orchestra is an important role but the music is mostly a result of first of all the composer, and then the conductor / arranger's interpretation as well as the skill of the musicians. I really don't see the similarity to a human input of "GNU license, sad, jazzy." The resolution is just way too rough. In fact, imagine compar…

I’m not meaning to equate the level of effort or skill involved. And I’ll grant that I know very little about music composition beyond my experience in Middle School band in which the musicians’ personality and skill presents a significant constraint for the conductor/arranger :)

I would readily compare the experience of reading Snow Crash (one of the first SciFi books I read of my own volition) to the output that a LLM may produce from such a prompt. My iPhone informs me that I’ve spent nearly 10 hours playing with Characters.ai in which SF storytelling characters are my favorite to interact with. When I first read Snow Crash I felt like “finally, an author that understands that part of the story that _I’m_ interested in!” and my experiences of AI driven creative writing has felt similar. Certainly it feels less “magical” since I’m aware that I’m customizing the author to my personal taste - is that “magic” of feeling connected to the artist *the* art?

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by komali2 »

mathgorges wrote: post #381
komali2 wrote: post #377

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> but the same could be said of conducting an orchestra versus playing a piano. Conducting an orchestra is an important role but the music is mostly a result of first of all the composer, and then the conductor / arranger's interpretation as well as the skill of the musicians. I really don't see the similarity to a human input of "GNU license, sad, jazzy." The resolution is just way too rough. In fact, imagine compar…

I’m not meaning to equate the level of effort or skill involved. And I’ll grant that I know very little about music composition beyond my experience in Middle School band in which the musicians’ personality and skill presents a significant constraint for the conductor/arranger :) I would readily compare the experience of reading Snow Crash (one of the first SciFi books I read of my own volition) to the output that a…

I'm not here to yuck your yum, if you're having fun with it, by all means. If you're getting output from characters.ai that are on par with a neal stephenson novel, I would really enjoy seeing that and learning how I could do the same, that sounds very fun.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by mgaunard »

ta8645 wrote: post #372
mgaunard wrote: post #370

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We'd had computers before we started making them out of silicon semiconductors. Computer Science still puts the same restrictions on what we can compute.

It really wasn't about the silicon, that was just a playful turn of phrase. There is no logical argument that really justifies the belief that humans contain some sort of magic that can't be duplicated by other technologies. Assuming humans get their capabilities by physics and their bodies... those same elements are available to be assembled elsewhere, in non-human form. Many of us have a very strong psychological n…

The concern isn't that humans are magic, it's that we haven't found the trick yet.

When we do, most likely there will be a big revolution. But we haven't and throwing more money at it isn't going to make us reach it.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by ta8645 »

mgaunard wrote: post #383
ta8645 wrote: post #372

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It really wasn't about the silicon, that was just a playful turn of phrase. There is no logical argument that really justifies the belief that humans contain some sort of magic that can't be duplicated by other technologies. Assuming humans get their capabilities by physics and their bodies... those same elements are available to be assembled elsewhere, in non-human form. Many of us have a very strong psychological n…

The concern isn't that humans are magic, it's that we haven't found the trick yet. When we do, most likely there will be a big revolution. But we haven't and throwing more money at it isn't going to make us reach it.

It's a process, and being contemptuous about each small step isn't helpful; that attitude doesn't help us find "the trick". LLMs represent an incredible leap in abilities, and offer untold opportunities to provide services that no other technology we currently possess can offer.

Some people definitely overstate our current progress, but it seems a lot more just want to shit on it, and undervalue it instead.

And what exactly did you mean by:

"Computer Science still puts the same restrictions on what we can compute."

Because it sure sounded like you were saying that there is an absolute limit on our ability to produce intelligent systems. Which is why I started talking about human abilities, as an instance proof of the capabilities we should be able to offer.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by mgaunard »

ta8645 wrote: post #384
mgaunard wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concern isn't that humans are magic, it's that we haven't found the trick yet. When we do, most likely there will be a big revolution. But we haven't and throwing more money at it isn't going to make us reach it.

It's a process, and being contemptuous about each small step isn't helpful; that attitude doesn't help us find "the trick". LLMs represent an incredible leap in abilities, and offer untold opportunities to provide services that no other technology we currently possess can offer. Some people definitely overstate our current progress, but it seems a lot more just want to shit on it, and undervalue it instead. And what…

"An incredible leap", more like an over-hyped trend to get money out of venture capitalists.

In practice it's a recipe for spending large amounts of money on GPU cloud compute to achieve things that could have been done just fine with more traditional methods.

> And what exactly did you mean by:

> "Computer Science still puts the same restrictions on what we can compute."

Computer Science is the science of studying what can be computed, what is the complexity of those algorithms, what are the limits of our logic and mathematical models.

We know there are some true statements that cannot be proved to be true. We know there are algorithms that we cannot prove whether they terminate. We know the complexity bounds in solving a number of problems or getting suitably precise approximations.

Our computers are bound by the same constraints than a Turing machine is, and those constraints are well-studied. LLMs haven't changed the capabilities of our computing systems.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by johny115 »

does anyone how does copyright work for these? and if there is a way to generate these without the vocals? (i know there is voice removal AI, but that will introduce quality loss), basically curious if person could generate something with Suno and then do a "cover" with real singing and release it on social media?

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by ta8645 »

mgaunard wrote: post #385
ta8645 wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a process, and being contemptuous about each small step isn't helpful; that attitude doesn't help us find "the trick". LLMs represent an incredible leap in abilities, and offer untold opportunities to provide services that no other technology we currently possess can offer. Some people definitely overstate our current progress, but it seems a lot more just want to shit on it, and undervalue it instead. And what…

"An incredible leap", more like an over-hyped trend to get money out of venture capitalists. In practice it's a recipe for spending large amounts of money on GPU cloud compute to achieve things that could have been done just fine with more traditional methods. > And what exactly did you mean by: > "Computer Science still puts the same restrictions on what we can compute." Computer Science is the science of studying w…

> In practice it's a recipe for spending large amounts of money on GPU cloud compute to achieve things that could have been done just fine with more traditional methods.

There are no traditional methods that as convincingly write poetry, sing songs, animate movies, or synthesize search results. You should be able to lament the hype, while still acknowledging this truth.

> Computer Science is the science of studying what can be computed, what is the complexity of those algorithms, what are the limits of our logic and mathematical models.

Computer science is too limited to properly decide the matter.

We know for a FACT that physics allows human level cognition (obviously, since we exist). Therefore, all that is required is for us to understand and harness those rules of physics, and we can manufacture devices that match or exceed human level cognition.

Given enough time, there is no logical reason we can't achieve this result. People who continue to insist that it is logically impossible, are short-sighted, and blinded by human vanity.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by TeMPOraL »

skydhash wrote: post #360
criddell wrote: post #199

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I never thought much of Van Gogh’s work until my sister recommended I read Irving Stone’s novel Lust for Life . I loved it and did a deeper dive on Van Gogh and his contemporaries. Now, he’s one of my favorite artists. For me, one problem with AI art is that there isn’t context for any of it. It’s just there and didn’t come from anywhere. Eventually, some prompt engineer may build up a coherent body of work that is m…

I like listening to Soundtracks, but if you've not played the game/watched the movie, it can be hard to get into it (Listening to NieR: Automata is a journey). Listening to one track is like reading one chapter of a book. It may be your favorite one, but there's something more substantial into consuming the whole work. I know people listen to music to set up moods, but everyone has that playlist/album where they list…

I'm a soundtrack person too, and that is my point: you may like some tracks from a game you loved, and you probably have no idea whether or not the music was human or AI made.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by Madmallard »

nextaccountic wrote: post #61
Madmallard wrote: post #29

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music seemed really low quality to me as a musician. I wouldn't pay to listen to it

Who pays to listen to anything?

I wouldn't pay to have this played at events over live musicians. Is that better, mister redditor?
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