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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by wycy »

eastbound wrote: post #198
qwertyuiop_ wrote: post #191

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It wouldn't be as direct as if the order came from the boardroom. There are thousands of "stakeholders" bound to lose their gravy train, lobbyists, suppliers, "consultants", military industrial complex. It's easy to for one of these to send a "contractor" to stalk, hold the person's arm and "shoot himself" dead. I am not an investigator but this is very very suspicious. He delivered 2 days of testimony and is about t…

So what you’re saying is Boeing has an army of 2000 lobbyists are all ready to kill for financial gain?

Killing for financial gain is literally the business model of a large branch of Boeing.

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #57
ashconnor wrote: post #53

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Airbus HQ

how does one get from the us to france, quickly?

The fastest way is probably to reach Saint Pierre and Miquelon by ATR 42 or by ferry from Canada. France's overseas collectivities are amazing.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by cptaj »

yifanl wrote: post #61

I'm just going to take this story at face value, there's an infinite number of alternate explanations that I'd be powerless to talk about. I've had my own (thankfully brief) moments where I've thought about suicide just from the perception that my coworkers, my bosses, the entire world, just does not care about doing the right thing. Mr Barnett worked for the same company for over three decades and physically watched…

The thing about being a very rational person like this, is that you're very easy to manipulate.

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Post by S_A_P »

What I don’t understand is how does Boeing expect to make the issues go away? Covering up the problems just kicks the can down the road. They still have shoddy planes out in the world. Is quarterly performance now more important than not having planes fall out of the sky somewhere later on? I guess I’m naive here.

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Post by idw »

torstenvl wrote: post #4

"Self-inflicted wound"? Obviously the story is still developing but I'm immediately skeptical. EDIT: Also weird that BBC is already memory-holing that it was a gunshot wound. archive.is has the original. https://archive.is/wj0LE

It was a breach of their guidelines to report a method of suicide, so it sounds like they were just fixing that. This is standard in the UK because of evidence showing that reporting methods can be followed by further suicides.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/harm-an...

Suicide, Attempted Suicide, Self-Harm and Eating Disorders

5.3.45 Suicide, attempted suicide and self-harm should be portrayed with sensitivity, whether in drama or in factual content. Factual reporting and fictional portrayal of suicide, attempted suicide and self-harm have the potential to make such actions appear feasible and even reasonable to the vulnerable.

Methods of suicide and self-harm must not be included in output except where they are editorially justified and are also justified by the context. We should not include explicit details that would allow a method of suicide to be imitated.

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Post by elzbardico »

mcv wrote: post #293
rockbruno wrote: post #289

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Humanity has had people who did not care about doing the right thing since forever, and still we thrived. As long as someone is doing the right thing, we're on the right track. Relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScpHTIi-kM

It helps to give power to people who care about doing the right thing, instead of to people who don't care. Democracy tends towards the former, but capitalism tends towards the latter.

There is capitalism proper and there is absurdly leveraged subsidized speculative financial managerial capitalism.

There is always nuance on the real world. Things can’t be explained anymore in the terms of XIX century Marxism. If Marx were alive today probably he would completely rewrite Das Kapital.

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Post by ironmagma »

imjonse wrote: post #305
ironmagma wrote: post #242

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Whistleblowers should be in no way influenced by current events. Information wants to be free and that will never change.

Information may want to be free, but most people also want to live.

America has historically been home to people willing to sacrifice their lives for liberty, transparency, etc.

“Give me liberty or give me death” and all that.

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Post by [deleted] »

diordiderot wrote: post #327
dang wrote: post #167

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Sorry—I'm tired and expressed that carelessly, and you're quite right. I wasn't talking about the article and am glad that it is as good as you say. In fact I merged the other thread into this one precisely because the BBC article was better. What I mean is that the story itself, i.e. the significant new information, is a lurid apparent suicide, and there aren't any details about that , other than it happened. Not be…

Good guy dang. Thanks for all your hard work making this place great.

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Post by pydry »

blast wrote: post #188

The timing is suspicious but that doesn't mean it wasn't suicide. If he was determined to kill himself there might be several reasons to do it today. Maybe he wanted to cast suspicion on Boeing. Or maybe he didn't want to testify - could be tons of reasons for that. I have no idea. Just saying the two events could be connected without it being murder.

It's every bit as suspicious as Epstein's death or all those people connected to Putin who mysteriously fall out of windows.

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Post by The_Colonel »

jajko wrote: post #307
coolspot wrote: post #248

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Suicide in a car is a “popular” way of doing this because there is less cleaning afterwards. Crime scene cleaning of a room costs like $20k. Bodily fluids go everywhere.

That doesn't make sense, what if car cost 50k (or more), do you think anybody would ever want to drive in it? Family traumatized by just looking at it, heck any similar car, ever ? Low cost would be ie in your backyard, jump from the bridge (with added 3s thrill), OD on opiates or some poison you don't feel or similar. Or go fight russians if you really stand up for western values, that may actually cure the need if…

> do you think anybody would ever want to drive in it?

You can sell the car and the new owner might not know about it (or care if the price is good enough).

Car offers a certain level of privacy in your last moments while being considerate to the family by not doing it in your home.

> Low cost would be ie in your backyard, jump from the bridge (with added 3s thrill), OD on opiates or some poison you don't feel or similar. Or go fight russians if you really stand up for western values, that may actually cure the need if you make it through.

Those are suicide fantasies of people without depression / under extreme pressure.

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