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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by jpambrun »

montagg wrote: post #286

One of the worst gaming user experiences on Windows is how every publisher wants their own store. And depending on where you get a game, it may or may not have certain features. And if you get into modding, sometimes one version of the game just won't work with some mods. I understand everyone feels good about increased competition with Apple—and hopefully it turns out well for users—but iOS is hurtling toward the sa…

Outcompete them all by creating an amazing store with 3-4% fee and you will be the last one.

The mandated monopoly with 30% fee alternative is unreasonable.

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Post by overgard »

darzu wrote: post #26
gglnx wrote: post #14

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More likely that the request for more information on this case from the EU commission to Apple triggered the walk back. At least the EU Commissioner for the internal market is happy about the reverse: https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1766167580497117464

Yikes I hate that Thierry is using "#freefortnite". You can be completely on board with the DMA but still see Epic's behavior as entirely profit motivated and "freeing Fortnite" should not be any official's priority. Epic is not some oppressed minority that needs saving.

Every large company is, by nature, amoral. All the pro-social stances or whatever are generally just window dressing and PR. Individuals can be moral, but for-profit corporations past a certain size just are too abstract of an entity with too many people of competing interests to ascribe morality to. We shouldn't care about intentions, just whether they're doing something we agree with or not.

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Post by znpy »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #108
astlouis44 wrote: post #41

Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

According to the article it was because Epic met with Apple and gave better assurances that they'd play ball rather than deliberately break their contract like they did last time. Regulators don't seem to have had anything to do with it. --- So what changed? Apple tells 9to5Mac that it has held further discussions with Epic. The result is that Apple has received proper commitment that Epic will play by the rules as l…

> Regulators don't seem to have had anything to do with it.

This smells, you know? The timing is just so precise to be a coincidence.

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Post by qeternity »

mopsi wrote: post #228
qeternity wrote: post #120

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> It ends when Apple learns to balance the interests of their shareholders and the interests of their customers better. The interests of their shareholders are literally the interests of their customers. Apple makes incredible products, that billions of people pay significant money for, with many competitors that are much cheaper. Their shareholders reap the rewards of this. If Apple customers hated Apple, they would…

> The interests of their shareholders are literally the interests of their customers. There would be no need hide information from customers if that was true. Their censorship, the fact that Apple desperately wants to hide what they are doing, is very revealing and incriminating.

What information are they hiding/censoring?

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Post by albert180 »

w4 wrote: post #337
Eikon wrote: post #180

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What was the deal with PWAs?

Other posters have covered the gist of the events, but what creates the impression of flailing for me is Apple taking a hard stance in one direction, underestimating the backlash, and promptly recanting and changing course in exchange for (as best as I can tell) no advantage or concessions. That happened with PWAs, and now has happened with Epic. Maybe there were behind the scenes concessions made and I'm completely…

The penalties for Non-Compliance are up to 10% of the global turnover of a company.

If you are flexing your muscles and end up loosing, you are probably loosing your jobs, because shareholders and everyone else will be angry with you

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Post by mike_d »

ben_w wrote: post #199
spacedcowboy wrote: post #108

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According to the article it was because Epic met with Apple and gave better assurances that they'd play ball rather than deliberately break their contract like they did last time. Regulators don't seem to have had anything to do with it. --- So what changed? Apple tells 9to5Mac that it has held further discussions with Epic. The result is that Apple has received proper commitment that Epic will play by the rules as l…

Two days ago I wrote that didn't fully trust Epic's version of the events posted on EpicGames.com, and by the same logic I'm sure not going to trust Apple's version as posted to 9to5Mac.com """Even with screenshots, and assuming no false claims (which IIRC are entirely legal so long as you don't swear under oath), there's plenty of ways to mislead by omission while saying only true things.""" — works just as well in…

> I wrote that didn't fully trust Epic's version of the events posted on EpicGames.com, and by the same logic I'm sure not going to trust Apple's version

This fallacy plays out a lot in politics. "Epic has lied in the past, so all parties involved must be lying."

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Post by kj100 »

agust wrote: post #264
g051051 wrote: post #255

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It's unlikely that "regulators" had anything to do with it, given the quick resolution. I'd be more inclined to think that Epic went back to Apple hat-in-hand and begged to be let back in, probably promising to muzzle Sweeney.

Sure, Apple takes a strong decision which breaks a just-enforced law, and two days later they back down because they had a nice talk with Epic. /s The EU told Apple that breaking the law would have dire consequences. That's the only reason Apple backed down. Stop spreading Apple propaganda.

> The EU told Apple that breaking the law would have dire consequences. That's the only reason Apple backed down.

You have no idea that this is what happened. You're the one spreading propaganda.

Why propagandize it at all?

EPIC hates Apple and wants to see the App store dead. Apple reasonably didn't trust EPIC not to play games with the DMA. The EU asked EPIC to give an assurance that they would play by the rules and then forced Apple to accept that assurance. Neither of them won anything. Apple is forced to let EPIC in, and EPIC is forced to accept that Apple is complying with the DMA.

That fits the facts. EPIC isn't a good guy. Apple isn't a good guy. The EU isn't a hero. Why try to paint any of them this way?

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Post by wredue »

tshaddox wrote: post #292
biscuitech wrote: post #284

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Would you rather have no choice? I get the sentiment, but it's nice to finally have lawmakers and regulators standing for what's right - for once.

Aren’t regulators by definition establishing regulations which make all choices more similar to each other?

Sure. In the same way that all sports are similar in that most have regulations against fighting.

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Post by amluto »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #349
tjoff wrote: post #210

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Yeah we get to choose between google and apple. Lucky us...

Other titans tried, they all failed to capture. Blackberry lagged for too long and Microsoft simply lacked the network effects since early advertisement was based on how large the app stores were. The only solace is that you can modify Android to the point where there's almost no Google interference whatsoever. But of course some apps choose to rely on that (e.g. Banking).maybe one day Apple will begrudgingly get to…

> Microsoft simply lacked the network effects

MS beat Apple to market by a considerable margin. Windows Mobile substantially predates the iPhone, and it was actually usable. (I had one of their flagship devices.)

But MS’s OS concept was incoherent, their UI was laggy, their web browser was unbearably slow despite arguably superior hardware, their form factor was not snazzy. And, unlike Apple, they utterly failed at marketing to consumers.

Also, Apple out their foot down against carrier nonsense, so Apple users didn’t have to deal with $14.99/mo for Verizon Location or whatever they called it. (Although, to be fair, the original iPhone didn’t have GPS. Blackberry had far superior hardware at the time and really ought to have been able to compete, but they didn’t.)

By the time the App Store showed up, it was pretty clear that Apple was beating MS.

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #71
astlouis44 wrote: post #41

Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

This is one of those things where there is only upside for everyone involved. Apple (and Google) need to be saved from themselves sometimes. Meanwhile the repeated reversals are making Apple look guilty and nefarious.

> This is one of those things where there is only upside for everyone involved.

Except all of us who value privacy and security.

Face it: the major competition between app stores is not going to be on price, but a race to the bottom on who can allow apps to fuck over users the hardest.

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