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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

s_dev wrote: post #101
ajuc wrote: post #56

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It worked for Putin (see Nord Streams for example) so Trump wanted it too :)

That still needed EU approval. Ireland can sell it's beef to the US at a different rate than other EU countries (all Irish beef is grass fed and thus premium grade) again needs EU approval. The EU doesn't mind exceptions to her rules once it can approve or disapprove of them thus preserving the EU trading bloc. People really do think there is a 'gotcha' though e.g. US President Trump getting schooled by Merkel thinki…

Rules and asterisks are one of the Commissions best exports.

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

polski-g wrote: post #375
kerkeslager wrote: post #159

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There are two systems at play when you see a cookie warning: 1. Businesses trying to violate your privacy. 2. A government trying to protect you from said businesses. Either of these entities could avoid the cookie warning, but there are very different reasons why they do not.

This reminds me of the Cloudflare vs Archive.is shitfest. I do not care why CF DNS doesn't work with Archive, all I know is that it doesn't work, and others do. I do not care why cookie banners are there. All I know is that they weren't there N years ago and now they are, and they are annoying.

> This reminds me of the Cloudflare vs Archive.is shitfest.

Is there some background reading on this? I would like to use Cloudflare as one of my DNS providers but this issue has always bothered me.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by dspillett »

Sander_Marechal wrote: post #287
dspillett wrote: post #214

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I hit back instantly when I see the Admiral logo. That network IIRC claims >1,500 partners. And last time I bothered looking even though there is a few “no to all” checkboxes you still needed to individually object to “legitimate interest”¹ for most of the companies. -- [1] which I read as “we see you and your privacy preferences, but fuck you and your preferences we want to stalk you anyway”

TrustARC is also a really shitty one that tries to make you wait if you dare to opt out (and then sometimes even errors out halfway because "not all partners support SSL")

> "not all partners support SSL"

Meaning “we've vetted our partners and found their security practises to be seriously wanting, but haven't kicked them to the curb because a very small amount of money is far more important to us than our claims to care about your security and/or privacy”.

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Post by interactivecode »

ttoinou wrote: post #330
Beretta_Vexee wrote: post #74

A common mistake is to think that the EU is limited to a few large economies (Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Holland), but this is not the case. Ensuring that a Croatian SME can win contracts with the French or Germans is one of the EU's priority objectives. This is how the EU has lifted millions of people out of poverty. This is a very tangible reality. It worked with East Germany, Spain, Poland, the Baltic States a…

The EU made us all poorer, it hasn't lifted many out of poverty

haha, have you seen how many problems the UK created for themselves when they left the EU? It's better to be a part of Europe than not.

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Post by olabyne »

MarcusE1W wrote: post #297
pbmonster wrote: post #131

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And roaming charges? Who doesn't like paying every time they go abroad for something that is now entirely free.

You could not even get near a border without a foreign telecom provider trying to connect you to their network abroad with powerful senders and charge through the roof. Those where the days ;-)

Still a problem with that pesky Switzerland in the middle. Do not approach any Swiss antenna without reading your telecom contract !

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Post by pydry »

kbolino wrote: post #356
pydry wrote: post #44

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>It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". The notion of regulation as being on a sliding scale where "more is worse" was a manufactured American meme created by the Kochs in the 1980s. It emerged from some of their epic fights with the environmental protection agency and their subsequent lobbying and public relations outreach effo…

Given that the EPA was happy to watch American industry die on the vine while foreign competitors operating under different regulatory regimes swooped in, the "manufactured American meme" had some merit. Regulation has to be responsive. Of course, a lack of responsiveness, or even basic consideration for the average person, has defined the U.S. Government as a whole for the better part of several decades. Ever since…

>Given that the EPA was happy to watch American industry die on the vine while foreign competitors operating under different regulatory regimes swooped in

You don't have to let foreign competitors that ruin the environment and oppress their employees compete directly with local competitors. You can slap them with tariffs or even prohibit their goods entirely.

When the US is fighting to maintain influence in Eastern Europe it understands this logic and applies this lever.

When the environment and labor rights are at stake though, it's like "what lever? I don't see a lever anywhere"

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Post by polski-g »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #382
polski-g wrote: post #375

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This reminds me of the Cloudflare vs Archive.is shitfest. I do not care why CF DNS doesn't work with Archive, all I know is that it doesn't work, and others do. I do not care why cookie banners are there. All I know is that they weren't there N years ago and now they are, and they are annoying.

> This reminds me of the Cloudflare vs Archive.is shitfest. Is there some background reading on this? I would like to use Cloudflare as one of my DNS providers but this issue has always bothered me.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28495204

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by Sharlin »

carlosjobim wrote: post #183
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

> EU citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their enemy, at least not to the same extent as the US. US citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their friend, at least not to the same extent as the EU. Honestly, if you talk to real people within the EU, you'll find that maybe half of them are mostly against the EU. Real life is not the same as HN, becau…

> US citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their friend, at least not to the same extent as the EU.

> Honestly, if you talk to real people within the EU, you'll find that maybe half of them are mostly against the EU.

Are you sure these two claims aren't contradictory? Go on, give it a few minutes of thought.

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Let us be perfectly clear here. People in the EU love to grumble about the EU, like every single human being everywhere loves to grumble about their government. Like all systems made of humans, the EU has big flaws, which everybody acknowledges, although they might not completely agree on what exact set of traits counts as flaws.

That does not mean the large majority of EU citizens seriously thinks the EU should be replaced with something else. Even less so now that the UK went and made itself a cautionary tale of what may happen when you try too hard to use said grumbling as a political tool to pursue your own selfish interests.

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Post by graemep »

willmadden wrote: post #306
bojan wrote: post #247

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> Honestly, if you talk to real people within the EU, you'll find that maybe half of them are mostly against the EU. The polling seems to be proving you wrong. Even in the UK the attitude towards the EU seems to be net positive.

That is because most polling is not a representative sample of peoples' beliefs and is untrustworthy. The "mainstream" polling and coverage of Brexit is a great example, or the polling and coverage around the 2016 US presidential election.

Time to mention the Yes Prime Minister clip on polling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gMcZic1d4U

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Post by theptip »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

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It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

A bit of a cherry-pick, no? You can’t just look at one bad thing that happened, you need to weigh the good and bad that comes with a particular policy stance.

Concretely in this case it seems quite relevant to include GDPR, which consumers seem pretty happy about, and which many Americans look enviously at while their data is slurped up without recourse by credit bureaus and data brokers.

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