Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

Post by dasil003 » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 5:45 PM UTC

emodendroket wrote: post #341

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #324

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The replies that say "well the profits go to the non-profit, all's good" miss the reality of these high profit nonprofits: the profits invariably end up in the pockets of management. Most of those are essentially scams, but it doesn't mean that OpenAI isn't just a more subtle scam. The hype and the credulity of the general public play right into this scam. People will more or less believe anything Sam the Money Gushi…

If your beef with this structure is that executives get paid handsomely I have bad news about the entire category of nonprofits, regardless of whether they have for-profit arms or not.

Post by swozey » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 5:46 PM UTC

sensanaty wrote: post #289

swozey wrote: post #257

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The mental gymnastics that some tech bro has to go through to like Musk over Microsoft to the point that they still use the 2001 meme of "M$FT" is hilarious. I know just about everything I could ever need to know about both companies and I have tons, tons of friends who absolutely love and have been at "M$FT" for 5-20 years. I don't know a single person who likes working at Tesla or SpaceX and I used to live in Austi…

Wow the people employed by the evil gigacorporation like working for the entity shoveling mountains of money at them, what a completely unexpected stance for them to have. M$ is no different today than they were in the days of their EEE strategy, they've just fooled the techbros, as you put it, into believing they're still not the scum of the earth anymore.

Post by lenerdenator » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 5:46 PM UTC

emodendroket wrote: post #299

Jun8 wrote: post #223

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"I think for a governance structure, we should start with 5 people and I'd propose you, [REDACTED], [REDACTED], [REDACTED], and me. Technology would be owned by the foundation and used "for the good of the world", and in cases where it's not obvious how that should be applied the 5 of us would decide." You can find the number of letters of the redacted text and then guess who they are. It's fun!

> "for the good of the world", and in cases where it's not obvious how that should be applied the 5 of us would decide." It's hard not to be a bit cynical about such an arrangement.

Post by tills13 » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 5:47 PM UTC

VirusNewbie wrote: post #369

Tomte wrote: post #210

> GPT-4 is an AGI algorithm That claim is audacious.

Why? AGI itself makes no claim of super intelligence or even super human capabilities.

Post by viscanti » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 5:47 PM UTC

lumost wrote: post #298

emodendroket wrote: post #270

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They didn't "turn it into" a for-profit though, they created a separate for-profit arm. This one is unusually successful but that's not an unusual thing for even "regular" charities to do in order to engage in some activities that they wouldn't normally be able to.

Perhaps the regular charity version of this should also be challenged. This case looks somewhat egregious as the for profit arm was able to fire the board of the non-profit parent. Likewise, openAI is selling "PPU" units, it's entirely unclear if anybody knows what these actually are. It's highly likely in my uneducated opinion that OpenAI will be told to adopt a standard corporate structure in the near term. They wi…