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Post by singleshot_ »

c22 wrote: post #316
singleshot_ wrote: post #275

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Fair point, but I don’t store very much of my food in a tire and I rarely, if ever put food in a shirt before I microwave it. In the other hand, I probably have about a pound of Tupperware in my body. I guess my point is that you’re right about micro plastics in the environment, but I’m more concerned about the ones in me. (Strenuously agree that both are bad).

Use the same rule for tupperware that you apply to shirts! I store and buy food in plastic containers often, but I always move it onto a ceramic dish before I microwave it.

Ditto here but only recently. Currently working all the plastic I can put of my food prep workflow. Insidious situation we find ourselves in.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

callalex wrote: post #308
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #106

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> because of their inconvenience IMO it's simply habits no one would buy beer or wine in a plastic bottle, because it feels wrong (and it is if you ask me). Here in Italy nobody in their right mind buys tomato sauce in plastic bottles, our granmas would come to haunt us at night if we did. but we buy water in plastic bottles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Boxed wine comes in a plastic container. Beer goes off rather quickly without excellent storage, which is why cheap beer has settled on aluminum cans which preserve well while being cheaper and lighter than glass.

> which is why cheap beer has settled on aluminum cans

Where I come from beers come almost exclusively in glass bottles for the large ones (66cl), aluminum cans are only used for the small ones (33cl) but you can buy them in glass as well.

There is usually no price difference whatsoever

For example

https://www.amazon.it/Peroni-Italiano-Moderatamente-Gradazio...

https://www.amazon.it/Peroni-175-Anniversario-Birra-Cassa-dp...

Many of the cheapest beers are imports, for example Bavaria, that you usually find in aluminum cans in Holland but in glass bottles in Italy.

I can't explain why, but for us some things must be bottled in glass or they aren't "good".

Tomatoes is another example: you can find cans of tomato pulp or peeled tomatoes, but not the sauce, it always comes in glass bottles (it exists of course, but it's a very weird choice to us).

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Post by brnt »

seszett wrote: post #70
brnt wrote: post #60

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Check your municipal waste centre. Mine, in Limburg (NL), recycles diapers.

Interesting, I wonder how they process them and what they become after recycling. Here in Antwerp diapers are explicitly supposed to be put in the rest[0] though. [0] https://www.antwerpen.be/info/restafval

If you search for "luier recycling" you can find out how it's done.

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Post by xnyan »

infecto wrote: post #314
plussed_reader wrote: post #283

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Banning micro-plastic sources from consumer purposes isn't so silly if it contributes to dementia and other neurological issues long term. They're finding they stuff embedded in utero lining; your argument strikes me as the same old rebuttal to the things we can't political agree to study. You can't deny there is a lot of business momentum to keep plastics in production, no? And yet the more we learn the more checkma…

Not sure why you are bringing politics up. This has nothing to do with it. We most definitely need to fully study the impacts of plastics on the human body. We don’t know the full extent of what it’s doing and it’s important we figure it out. It’s a complicated equation that we do not fully understand. It’s easy to say just ban it but there is are a lot of other negative consequences that will come out of that decisi…

> Not sure why you are bringing politics up. This has nothing to do with it.

Politics is the struggle to gain, retain, and use power. The use of plastics creates a huge amount of wealth and power for many, by definition anything that could affect this is political.

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

Mistletoe wrote: post #318
lobochrome wrote: post #294

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The first principle hack here is to put the waste stream separation burden on the consumer. Here in Japan we are sorting and packaging our trash all at home and putting it out to be collected individually. There is - cardboard (to be cut flat and bundled with string) - unlaminated and clean paper (to be bundled with string or collected in a paper bag) - PET (clean, no bottle cap, label removed) - Milk cartons above 1…

I’m just laughing to myself considering the thought of getting Americans to cut open milk cartons, flatten them, and tie them up with string. It will never ever happen. I don’t know why. They think they are too busy or they are too messy. Why? I don’t know. It’s a very complicated long question and I don’t know the answer. Not all cons, maybe the American economy leads the world because the people here left their hom…

In America about 2/3 of your neighbors would not put in that sort of recycling effort. About 1/3 of your neighbors believe there are no benefits, only downsides to recycling. Maybe 5% just throw pizza boxes and dirty diapers into the recycling stream ruining the paper materials in that truck load. Maybe 2% of them just drop trash on the ground wherever they stand as long as it's not their own home. For the remaining altruists to recycle, they need to live in an area that collects recycling, doesn't quietly dump it in a landfill or ship it to China.

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Post by RandallBrown »

duderific wrote: post #342
lobochrome wrote: post #294

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The first principle hack here is to put the waste stream separation burden on the consumer. Here in Japan we are sorting and packaging our trash all at home and putting it out to be collected individually. There is - cardboard (to be cut flat and bundled with string) - unlaminated and clean paper (to be bundled with string or collected in a paper bag) - PET (clean, no bottle cap, label removed) - Milk cartons above 1…

> Collection happens at central points shared by a few houses. So if you fuck it up, your neighbors will know. > Collection happens through individual small trucks and the guy check the items and sort them directly into larger bins. If you made a mistake they will label it and leave it behind. See, that's the key. In my area, we have compost, recycling and trash bins for each home. What you put in it is up to your mo…

> Nobody is checking or seeing what you put in there

The trash men check our bins in Seattle (although not very thoroughly). We can be fined for throwing compostable material in the trash (has never happened to me) and your recycling can be rejected for throwing away non-recyclables (has happened to me when someone dumped their trash in my recycling bin.)

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Post by dang »

the_third_wave wrote: post #183
blueflow wrote: post #131

Sustainability talk being about ketchup caps while rich people fly to climate conferences in their yachts. Weird world.

It is rather baffling that there are no zillionaires flying airborne yachts yet, you'd have thought that one of 'm would have gotten others to build him a modern Graf Zeppelin or similar. Apart from that, yes. Do they not realise that their hypocrisy makes their supposed engagement for the 'climate' and 'planet' null and void? Probably not or possibly they imagine they'll have enough money and power to force their id…

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by aaron695 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #223

> Currently only about 3% of PP products are being recycled in the United States, but it is becoming more widely accepted So now the relatively small amount of mass in the cap is just as recyclable as the bottle itself -- neither are actually going to be recycled. There's nothing to see here but marketing. And a an interesting engineering puzzle solved, sure. "How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Woul…

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

astrobe_ wrote: post #343
drewdevault wrote: post #263

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The only genuine path to sustainability is reduction. There is no sustainable way to have disposable single-use packaging that you throw away when the bottle empties. Glass bottles with a deposit to incentivize bottle return, following which they are washed and refilled with new product (ideally locally, with fresh ketchup arriving to local distribution centers in bulk), is a much more reasonable approach.

Or let people refill their bottles at the shop/mall like from a beer keg. But it probably would be a hassle to deal with for the seller, so it won't probably won't happen.

Americans revolt at reusable shopping bags which are leaps better than disposable ones. They just have to be stored and carried to the store. Resuable bags don't need the rotten ketchup cleaned out before the next use. You don't need a hundred different proprietary styles of resuable bags for every brand and type of contents.
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