Expect further downward pressure on US tech salaries.
Only if you believe you live in a zero sum world, which every serious study will show you don't.
Haven’t seen a single replicable study showing this.
New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The fact that the current system imposes a form of long identured servitude on imigrants is not a bug but a feature I was on the hill when the initial congressional negotiations over immigration began in the mid-2010s. The stumbling block has always been illegal immigration. [0] The Dems congressional leadership at the time decided that no reform on legal immigration would happen without illegal immigration reform…
> neither side really cared because immigrants (legal or illegal) can't vote. This really is the alpha and omega of migration policies all around the world: the people affected don't have a say, and the people not affected use the issues to play hateful games.
I don’t think that’s fair. If I could cross a border to earn $5M a year, I wouldn’t call the locals hateful for coming up with ways to protect their own livelihoods, and I wouldn’t feel entitled to a say.
Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#383There's no changes that affect the real bottleneck: the annual quota on green cards and the per-country limits of 7% or children aging out. Those all require Congressional action and that's just not going to happen in the current political environment [1]. Here's my take: you get a work visa for 3-5 years that's tied to your employer and allows you to freely leave and re-enter the US. Believe it or not, we still have…
This is similar to how it works in the Netherlands. First 5 years as "knowlage immigrant" your visa depends on your work. Not tied to an employer per se but working in certain sectors (IT, SW dev, HW dev etc) and earning minimum a certain amount per year. As long as you satisfy the conditions you are free to change jobs. If you lose employment, you have 3 months search period with extension possibility. After legally living in NL you have the option to either get a permanent residence permit or becime a citizen.
Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW I'm a foreign-born US citizen and I agree with them. I think immigration is important for highly in-demand fields that can't be fulfilled by US citizens or existing permanent residents within the next 5 years. Nurses and doctors for example. Tech is not one of those fields, so I would 100% support anti-immigration policies (including outsourcing restrictions) in that sector until there is a true need for it.
Nurses and Doctors make the same complaints Engineers do. And depending on the subfield, it simply cannot be filled in 2-3 years. There is just an institutional failure in supporting STEM at the undergraduate level in the US.
This is simply untrue. The US graduates far more stem majors than they have ever done. Many fail to fine gainful employment because employers would rather cry about a phony shortage so they can hire cheap labor.
Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guarantee you theres tons of engineers with backgrounds in O.S./Networking that could learn those things very quickly. I bet most people working in it learned on the job. The certainly dont teach every single specific detail of the entire tech industry in universities. This is just gaslighting.
But none willing to work at the wages and working conditions that company is offering.
> 200-300k base with 15% annual bonus and equity ($300k-750k when I was working at public companies. I can't speak to my portfolio company's equity practices) is not a shit wage
That was what we were offering, but we were also demanding on quality and skill required.
We ended up getting some top performers in Israel and India for a fraction, despite being ready to pay the above.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The US is and always has been a country of immigrants. Your idea of who is and isn't an immigrant is simply a question of what time window you choose. In 1800, the US had a population of ~2 million. by 1900 it was ~50 million. You want to guess how itt got that way? Just because we needed and encouraged immigration 200 years ago doesn't mean we have a duty to never adjust policies based on current needs and realiti…
Pretty much every advanced economy is seeing stagnant population growth. Integrating immigrants is one of our most important skills and we need to keep practicing it.
Or we could give domestic labor stable high paying jobs like our fathers and grandfathers enjoyed and the problem fixes itself.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Restrict them and who's to say how startups will find loopholes We'll just open offices in Israel, Eastern Europe, and India instead and pay 70% of a US salary. It already started happening in 2019, and avalanched during the pandemic.
The obvious response to that is to not allow companies that outsource jobs to sell in the domestic market.
And then those companies sell in other countries.
When the US banned Israeli companies from selling military IP to China, they began selling to India.
Drone tech saw a similar impact, hence why Chinese and Turkish Drone companies are outcompeting American ones in both commercial and defense applications.
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#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
The obvious response to that is to not allow companies that outsource jobs to sell in the domestic market.
And then those companies sell in other countries. When the US banned Israeli companies from selling military IP to China, they began selling to India. Drone tech saw a similar impact, hence why Chinese and Turkish Drone companies are outcompeting American ones in both commercial and defense applications.
Good let them.
Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
But none willing to work at the wages and working conditions that company is offering.
> 200-300k base with 15% annual bonus and equity ($300k-750k when I was working at public companies. I can't speak to my portfolio company's equity practices) is not a shit wage That was what we were offering, but we were also demanding on quality and skill required. We ended up getting some top performers in Israel and India for a fraction, despite being ready to pay the above.
I don’t believe you couldn’t find anyone for 750k. At least throw out a believable number. Also you know very well that the majority of H1b is for generic web dev jobs and not OS internals or whatever you were hiring for.
Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you missed the entire point of my post above. The US's biggest strength is it's soft power at the elite level. Because of bad experiences like immigration, the US has been losing influence as foreign decision makers soured on the US due to crap treatment.
>Because of bad experiences like immigration, the US has been losing influence as foreign decision makers soured on the US due to crap treatment. So what?
Well, the elite in formerly pro-American countries like Thailand, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brazil start turning to competitors like China or Russia, or deciding to go it on their own.
Countries like India or Vietnam only began starting to warm to the US because of the diaspora. If the diaspora gets treated like shit, anti-Americanism begins to breed.
A similar thing happened in China in the 2010s.