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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by op00to »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #359
op00to wrote: post #175

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My child's classmate has a mother who has only one lung, and that one lung is barely functional. If she catches COVID, she will certainly be in the ICU. As a class, we all worried about her mother during the entire pandemic.

So we should paralyze a generation? You work to keep the mother safe. You don't sacrifice the well-being of children and whoever else at the altar of her well-being. The same goes for the elderly. You don't lock down the world to keep them safe (which in NY was a disaster under Cuomo anyway). You take measures to secure their well-being without paralyzing everyone else. And FWIW, there are plenty in that age group wh…

I don't believe that COVID "paralyzed" a generation. The acute non-vaccine phase in the US was what - 18 months tops? Hyperbole does not help.

People still got paid. Business got done. My kid learned. People got married. People got divorced. Children were born, people died. No evidence of a "paralyzed generation".

My youngest kid has incredibly strong math and verbal skills compared to my older kid, and I suspect that's because the youngest sat and listened to the online instruction along with his sibling.

Absolving all culpability and foisting it on "the government" or "shutdowns" is just as weak as using hyperbole to make misleading claims about how a generation was "paralyzed". Difficult to get shit done? Sure. Not paralyzed.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by op00to »

afavour wrote: post #202
op00to wrote: post #147

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Percentage of parents that died from COVID doesn’t compare to the percentage of parents that require school to take care of their kids during working hours.

"sorry timmy, dad lost his job because he can't work. enjoy being poor until he gets a new job!"

"sorry timmy, dad lost his life because he was forced to work. enjoy being poor and an orphan!"

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by op00to »

caddemon wrote: post #314
op00to wrote: post #181

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My child's school was online-only instruction from March to June, and reopened in September 2020 for in-person instruction. They did not miss one day of instruction. No idea what you're talking about.

A lot of schools remained remote in fall 2020 - depended on the school, and it's not exactly easy to switch between districts. Also, the quality of instruction in spring 2020 was absolutely affected as teachers adapted to remote and everyone dealt with the general chaos. Again could vary by school, but I think saying no instruction was missed is naive. "Days in class" is a horrible metric for learning, and there abso…

OP said "shutting schools down for a couple years". That did not happen in the US.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by afavour »

op00to wrote: post #382
afavour wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Percentage of parents that died from COVID doesn’t compare to the percentage of parents that require school to take care of their kids during working hours.

"sorry timmy, dad lost his job because he can't work. enjoy being poor until he gets a new job!" "sorry timmy, dad lost his life because he was forced to work. enjoy being poor and an orphan!"

If we’re debating theoreticals, “Sorry John, Timmy died when he was left at home unsupervised and his 14 year old neighbour didn’t notice he hit his head”

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by phailhaus »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #258
phailhaus wrote: post #30

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If you don't ban short-term rentals and just build housing, how does that fix the problem? People will buy it up and just put it on AirBnB.

Then you build even more. Banning short term rentals just makes hotels more insanely expensive than they already are (cheap hotels simply do not exist in Manhattan; there are none). AirBnB satisfies one kind of demand: short term stays. Building more apartments and other housing satisfies another kind of demand. You keep building until you satisfy the demand of both

That only works if you assume that it is possible to build quickly enough to satisfy both demands. But if you can't, then you'll just satisfy one and not the other. NYC made this calculus and prefers people to have homes over short-term stays.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by gruez »

nec4b wrote: post #375
gruez wrote: post #345

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>they'll make it up That remains to be seen. The 2022 PISA tests suggests that in developed countries, children have missed on the equivalent of 0.5-0.75 of a year's worth of learning. [1] https://www.economist.com/international/2023/12/05/the-pande... > nothing is going to magically bring a dead parent back. nothing is going to magically bring back those years either, for all 500 students.

They didn't loose those years. How do you even know it wasn't better for some at home than it was in school? Aren't you learning your whole life? Do you use everything you learned in school?

>They didn't loose those years. How do you even know it wasn't better for some at home than it was in school?

But did lose those years of in-class instruction, as the PISA tests have shown, post pandemic scores were down from historical trends. The article says that there was a correlation between lockdown intensity and/or catch-up school days and test performance, so I think it's fairly reasonable to conclude that lockdowns did cause a loss of learning.

>Aren't you learning your whole life?

You can also make money your whole life, but that doesn't mean it's totally fine to steal a year's worth of salary from you.

>Do you use everything you learned in school?

And did the pandemic related lockdowns conveniently only caused students to miss the knowledge that they didn't need?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nec4b »

gruez wrote: post #386
nec4b wrote: post #375

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They didn't loose those years. How do you even know it wasn't better for some at home than it was in school? Aren't you learning your whole life? Do you use everything you learned in school?

>They didn't loose those years. How do you even know it wasn't better for some at home than it was in school? But did lose those years of in-class instruction, as the PISA tests have shown, post pandemic scores were down from historical trends. The article says that there was a correlation between lockdown intensity and/or catch-up school days and test performance, so I think it's fairly reasonable to conclude that l…

Nobody stole anything from them, they were still learning. They maybe even learned something they otherwise wouldn't in school. Maybe some kids got a break from their bullies. Some spent more time with other grown ups or some spent it more outside. PISA tests are really not a measure of any kind of success in life.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by urda »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #359
op00to wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My child's classmate has a mother who has only one lung, and that one lung is barely functional. If she catches COVID, she will certainly be in the ICU. As a class, we all worried about her mother during the entire pandemic.

So we should paralyze a generation? You work to keep the mother safe. You don't sacrifice the well-being of children and whoever else at the altar of her well-being. The same goes for the elderly. You don't lock down the world to keep them safe (which in NY was a disaster under Cuomo anyway). You take measures to secure their well-being without paralyzing everyone else. And FWIW, there are plenty in that age group wh…

I think you're letting a bit of emotion get in the way of logic, take a step back and just breath for a second.

Given the information we had at the time, and how violent the virus was ripping through communities it was the best, worst choice we had at the time. Sure it meant you didn't get to go to your social functions or parties you craved, but we kept the curve down and allowed medical facilities and practitioners brace for the infection wave.

It wasn't irrational at all, and if you found wearing a mask a "ridiculous priority" you were part of the problem. Sometimes someone higher up than you needs to impose a restriction or law to protect others.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by peyton »

urda wrote: post #388
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we should paralyze a generation? You work to keep the mother safe. You don't sacrifice the well-being of children and whoever else at the altar of her well-being. The same goes for the elderly. You don't lock down the world to keep them safe (which in NY was a disaster under Cuomo anyway). You take measures to secure their well-being without paralyzing everyone else. And FWIW, there are plenty in that age group wh…

I think you're letting a bit of emotion get in the way of logic, take a step back and just breath for a second. Given the information we had at the time, and how violent the virus was ripping through communities it was the best, worst choice we had at the time. Sure it meant you didn't get to go to your social functions or parties you craved, but we kept the curve down and allowed medical facilities and practitioners…

> Sure it meant you didn't get to go to your social functions or parties you craved

I have to say this is ridiculously callous. My grandmother cried every day until she passed. I would like to see an investigation into pandemic preparedness. I don’t think we have been getting our money’s worth.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by locopati »

gen220 wrote: post #214
locopati wrote: post #188

moved out in 2018 after 18 years because i worked remotely and my mental health was frazzled. for much less rent, i ended up in a Catskills cabin in the woods by a stream, a short drive from any number of beautiful trails. bonus points for the luck of already being out of the city when the pandemic happened.

Just curious, how did you find the rental? i.e. through Zillow / the regular listings culprits or was it something more localized? I've been interested in the idea for years, but I haven't seen any on Zillow that match the intersection of price accommodations, and I'm wondering if I'm looking in the wrong place.

i got really lucky on one of the rental sites (don't remember if it was zillow or not). the prices have gone up ridiculously in 5 years, between pandemic relocations, the increase in remote work, and airbnbs taking away rental properties and houses for sale.
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