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Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

Trust isn't enough. Humans constantly error checking AI output, get worn down and then the stupidity leaks in.

Can't use AI as a crutch, it eventually does the thinking for you.

Agent Smith - I say your civilization, because when we started thinking for you, it really became our civilization.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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post #361

There's a great new "use case" for AI: dodging bait and switch laws! Sure, normally if a dealership employee explicitly offered a car for a given price in writing only to reveal it was incorrect later it would be illegal, but when an "AI" does the same we suddenly can't hold anyone accountable. Ta-da!

I'm not sure exactly how this would play out, but it seems intuitively not true. If I convinced the front service staff at McDonalds to sell me the store for $1, that obviously wouldn't be seen as a valid deal.

The employees do not have the right to sell the store at any price, so I don't think the analogy holds up. From a short bit of googling:

"In Federal Claims courts, the key components for evaluating a claim of improper bait-and-switch by the recipient of a contract are whether: (1) the seller represented in its initial proposal that they would rely on certain specified employees/staff when performing the services; (2) the recipient relied on this representation of information when evaluating the proposal; (3) it was foreseeable and probable that the employees/staff named in the initial proposal would not be available to implement the contract work; and (4) employees/staff other than those listed in the initial proposal instead were or would be performing the services."[0]

[0]: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bait_and_switch

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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I feel like a better use case for ChatGPT-like tools (at least in their current state) for customer support use cases is not actual live chat but more assisting companies in automating the responses to other non realtime channels for customer requests such as: - email requests - form based responses - Jira/ZenDesk type support tickets - forum questions - wiki/faq entries and having some actual live human in the mix t…

The only thing the psychopathic C-suite gives a shit about is making the largest sum of money possible. They don't care if customers hate chatbots or if they fire hundreds of people simultaneously, they're infinitely cheaper than paying for a human, so as long as the percentage of people complaining about the chatbots is below a certain percentage, you bet your ass they'll just keep on replacing people with these chatbots, regardless of how actually useful they are

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#384

The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

You're (somewhat abrasively) stating a version of my own opinion as well, but the "real threat" you mention, is very real. While "AI" (really, machine learning) is not good at most things, it does appear to be very, very good at convincing people it is good at them (for whatever reason). The threat of it being put in charge of things when it has (quite literally) no idea what it is doing, is not a small threat.

In other words, the real threat is stupid people, not stupid machines.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#385

The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

Once a technology has been developed and made available it can be used by any number of governments and corporations to do... whatever the fuck they want. You may have the resources to say "no" but they have the resources to get millions of people to give an enthusiastic "yes". Most people will do whatever marketing campaigns and figures of authority tell them they can do. Hold a radiating box by your brain a few hours a day and have it sit next to your crotch the rest of the time? Sure. Take 3-plus shots of a vaccine developed with new technology and in record time? Of course. Get into a metal tube and soar through the skies like an absolute lunatic? You're the boss!

In some cases, like nuclear proliferation, a concerted effort by powerful actors can slow the spread of certain technologies. Otherwise, your "no" will amount to about as much as the anti-vaxxers.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

Because a poorly implemented chatbot using someone else's LLM API is comparable to what you can accomplish with 10^n rounds of inference in a clever way. Computers are useless without error correction, LLMs may be as well. That's not to say that LLMs will form their own goals, but that people in control of them will be welding dangerously capable agents.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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post #356

The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

It isn't. It isn't. It isn't. It is. We have no idea where that point is. It's worth comparing to where we were a century ago. That's where my kid will be when he's grown up compared to now.

Your kid will be grown up in less than 20 years, not 100. But even still, in 100 years, will there be 4x as many people? Will humanity be consuming 10x the energy that we do today? Will we have computers that are a million times faster?

The point is, exponential progress is incredible, but at some point it ceases to be exponential. And the progress of the last 100 years was fueled by a exponential population growth and exponential energy usage. We're already at +1.5C because of that; how hot will it be when your kid is grown up?

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So its more about empowering the customer service teams than completely replacing them. That's right, but this would cost more money so until these blunders start costing money then they will continue until morale improves!

Agreed. It'd probably also help for OpenAI/Bard to generate some tutorials and white papers on best practices for the customer support use case - perhaps focusing on how companies can integrate ChatGPT/Bard into tools like Jira/ZenDesk to enable such workflows.

I think they (or someone else) eventually will, willingly or not. We’re kindof in the phase of figuring this out anyway. Collectively that is

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#389

The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

don't underestimate the amount of cost pressure to put the artificial idiot somewhere it may actually cause some damage
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