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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by [deleted] »

rezonant wrote: post #223
thih9 wrote: post #46

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To be fair, this kind of redundancy and reducing likelihood of third party changes seems safer to me. Nothing about “Operating systems will be upgraded. Apps will come and go. Maps will update.” says “The system will keep working flawlessly.” - if anything, the system will accumulate flaws.

On the flip side, the custom weird UI the car manufacturers contracted some cheap outside firm to write at low cost, and is filled with paid product placement and data mining, will be flawed from the start and never fixed.

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by whycome »

nneonneo wrote: post #140
overgard wrote: post #71

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I dunno, I got my first car with Car Play a year ago. I'm not super impressed. It's buggy and slow and the interface is clunky. It's better than using my phone directly, barely, but I still would have bought the car if it didn't have it. All I really want is music and maps anyway, and I can just get a cheap phone mount for my dashboard like I did with my old car so I don't have to look down at it.

Out of curiosity, which manufacturer? I suspect that CarPlay quality varies a lot by manufacturer; e.g. it sounds like GM really never tried very hard to get their CarPlay implementation to work well.

You'd think that would be enough to get Apple to take action. Like "Made for Apple" or "THX" it should require a minimum level of capability. Or else, Apple risks users thinking it's their hardware that is sucking.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by epistasis »

slantyyz wrote: post #375
epistasis wrote: post #52

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I was sort of convinced by this argument, theoretically, until I actually experienced the alternative. I've had a Toyota for four years now with all physical switches, but the complexity and number of controls is absolutely mind bogging large. I can't operate these physical switches without looking at inscrutable, small labels in awkward places. A centralized screen which allows clear view of the road at the same tim…

I dunno, my 18 year old Honda (and wife's Toyota of same age) is pretty much all physical switches (and that's not counting all the cars I've driven since the late 80s). Outside of the occasional manufacturer idiosyncrasies, my Honda's controls pretty much behave the same way that all my prior cars did too. Yes, there are a lot, but I only use a handful of them at any given time. They work predictably, without any ra…

Between cruise control, volumes controls, front wipers, back wipers, camera controls, interior light controls, HVAC, the array is truly bewildering, and I've never been in two cars that were similar unless they had the same manufacturer and were manufactured relatively closely.

Now, on my Toyota, though I find the controls bewildering and worse than a well-done screen, I would never ever want Toyota to make a screen based control for these. Their 2019 screen system is laggy, looks like it was built in 2008, and is really not even fit for the purpose of selecting radio stations, much less the wholly inadequate map navigation system they put on it.

Or the choice is having a traditional auto maker have switches or a screen, give me switches. If the choice is to have a halfway competent UI and hardware designer give me switches or a screen, give me the screen.

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Post by MBCook »

warbeforepeace wrote: post #253
MBCook wrote: post #55

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It really shouldn’t matter much. My 2016 car wasn’t laggy with CarPlay. I promise you that thing wasn’t fast. Or are you using wireless? I don’t know if other vehicles are better but the only times I’ve gotten to try wireless CarPlay the lag drove me nuts. If I plugged it in instead it was great.

Having rented a dozen different cars with car play i can say some manufacturers make car play feel just as painful as their in house infotainment systems.

Ouch. I guess I’ve been lucky.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by nkotov »

CarPlay has been amazing. Almost all the rental cars support it, connect and you're good to go. The most annoying part nowadays with it is figuring out if the car you're renting supports wireless CarPlay or not. I carry an extra cable for that reason.

Pretty stupid and if they were honest, it's only about control.

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Post by odiroot »

koolba wrote: post #337
odiroot wrote: post #330

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Ironically motorcycle companies seem to be doing better in this regard. For example Royal Enfield, KTM or even BMW.

At least nobody is stupid enough to add a touch screen infotainment system to a motorcycle.

I'm actually not exactly sure. But would be hard to use it with gloves anyway. Most systems rely on buttons on the handlebars.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by SllX »

urbandw311er wrote: post #260
bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

It’s interesting how you correctly identify that this is a massive play for control by Apple and Google, and yet you still seem to sympathise with their position! I can completely understand why vehicle manufacturers are so wary. Just look at the history of how Apple, Google, etc companies have behaved when it comes to “partnerships”. Look at the App Store. Look at what Google did to supposedly open source Android. I…

> It’s interesting how you correctly identify that this is a massive play for control by Apple and Google, and yet you still seem to sympathise with their position!

Apple and Google got to where they are because people actively want to buy and use their stuff. Apple stuff isn’t cheap and for most of Google’s products, their nearest competitors are a click away and have been even when they didn’t completely dominate major product categories.

People have lots of experience with in-car infotainment and navigation, and here’s the real alternative: people would rather mount their phones in their car using an aftermarket kit or literally just hold their phones in their hands while driving than use the in-built infotainment and navigation systems that car makers provide. CarPlay and Android Auto provide them a nicer experience than doing that which is why new car buyers look for these options by name.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by tristan957 »

lallysingh wrote: post #338
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #279

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I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom ... There are more considerations than simply cost of repair. Used cars break more than new cars. You are more likely to need some sort of backup plan if you have a used car. I'd be fine here in Norway: My 25 year old car is only used a few times a month. Otherwise, my partner and I walk and/or use public transportation. But I'm lucky enough to live in an area wit…

25yrs old is a bit extreme for anecdotal data on used cars. My 10yr old truck has been pretty reliable.

My 18 year old truck is great.
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