Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

scitechdaily.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

381–390 of 440 posts

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#381

Post by noirbot »

mlyle wrote: post #31
noirbot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Earnest curiosity - when someone is cured of cancer, and it comes back, is that different from me being cured of the flu and then catching the flu again later? Obviously it's different sorts of malady, but is it that the same cancer comes back, or is it just that if you had kidney cancer once, it's likely you might get it again? Or do we just not know enough about cancer to say/it varies on the sort of cancer? It's n…

We're mostly talking about it coming back. A treatment might eliminate the vast amount of cancer cells, but some can be lying dormant and wake back up at some later time (and since they survived, the ones that are more resistant to treatment have been selected-- prognosis is then much worse the second time around). Or sometimes those "seeds" of recurrent cancer never awake. Of course, people who get one cancer are, o…

That was mostly what I had in mind. There's plenty of diseases where you're cured in the sense that your body can passively take care of it from here, but there's a chance it flares up again. I was unclear if most cancers were a "you got rid of it, but a different part of your kidney developed a cancer now" as compared to "that cancer you had before is back"

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#382

Post by noirbot »

beeboobaa wrote: post #17
noirbot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Earnest curiosity - when someone is cured of cancer, and it comes back, is that different from me being cured of the flu and then catching the flu again later? Obviously it's different sorts of malady, but is it that the same cancer comes back, or is it just that if you had kidney cancer once, it's likely you might get it again? Or do we just not know enough about cancer to say/it varies on the sort of cancer? It's n…

You don't typically catch cancer riding the bus.

Yea, no shit. That's not the question I was asking. You can choose to be an annoying literalist, or you can be informative, or you can be quiet. You've chosen the least socially reasonable of them.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#383

Post by collyw »

Gare wrote: post #336
collyw wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid vaccines as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8788157/ I know, I am a heretic for drawing any negative attention to our savior from the deadly pandemic.

I got vaccinated three times (with Pfizer). No ill effects on my hearing/tinnitus (I was monitoring it). Then I got COVID (Omicron), was quite sick for several days (lost smell) and it seems the tinnitus worsened a bit in one ear. So... your mileage may vary, as with everything.

Th vaccine worked well then. Let me guess, it would have been so much worse without it...

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#384

Post by collyw »

dahart wrote: post #323
collyw wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid vaccines as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8788157/ I know, I am a heretic for drawing any negative attention to our savior from the deadly pandemic.

Covid vaccines do sometimes lead to increased tinnitus symptoms. But you can’t draw any conclusions from that, because getting COVID often leads to increased tinnitus. I’m not sure whether it’s known yet, but it very well may be that on balance there are fewer cases of tinnitus associated with the vaccine than with the virus. Also, BTW, flu vaccines and catching the flu both have reports of tinnitus increase. My theo…

What difference does it make if covid causes it? Most people took the vaccine, pretty much everybody got covid anyway. The vaccine was voluntary (with a lot of unethical coercion).

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#385

Post by cortesoft »

nsxwolf wrote: post #97
jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

Interesting. I can “play my eardrums”, which I describe as the ability to consciously control something in my ears that causes a loud fluttering, ringing sound that is something like wind entering my ear canals combined with a bell. After some research I’ve found some people can control something called the “tensor tympani” and generate sounds described as a “roar” but being a subjective experience I am not certain t…

Wait, not everyone can do that?

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#386

Post by [deleted] »

eps wrote: post #209
smegger001 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of the old crt tv my parents had for ages in their room that i could hear from the other side of the house but they couldn't that made the most awful high pitch whine. and as the screen would go black in some sort of sleep mode but it kept making that horrible noise with the only indicator that is was on still other than the noise, that apparently only i and dogs could hear, was the color of a small d…

For what it's worth, I had that and pretty all my friends I bothered to ask could also hear old TVs back when were kids. It is exceedingly common.

[deleted]

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#387

Post by drewcon »

plaidfuji wrote: post #372

I’ve had tinnitus and its cousin hyperacusis for about 7 years. When I first got them from a particularly loud nightclub, I had rolling panic attacks and insomnia for about the first three weeks, but then they died down to a tolerable background level. Something brought it back in the past couple months and triggered the same reaction again.. it’s not clear what the trigger was this time, but it’s like my brain needs…

Same exact story here.

Happened when I was 17 at a concert. Too loud. Brain seemed to just stuff it away and emotionally I was fine (because I was young and dumb).

“Came back” when I was in early 30s and devastated me for about 3-5 months with anxiety and insomnia. I used CBT to basically ignore it and my brain did its thing pushing it to the background and lowering the volume.

Came back again at age 40…same deal (but not nearly as bad since I’d seen the movie before) and lo and behold…brain stuffed it away again.

Now I just accept that it’s a part of life. Will come back probably and I’ll deal with it.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#388

Post by dahart »

collyw wrote: post #384
dahart wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid vaccines do sometimes lead to increased tinnitus symptoms. But you can’t draw any conclusions from that, because getting COVID often leads to increased tinnitus. I’m not sure whether it’s known yet, but it very well may be that on balance there are fewer cases of tinnitus associated with the vaccine than with the virus. Also, BTW, flu vaccines and catching the flu both have reports of tinnitus increase. My theo…

What difference does it make if covid causes it? Most people took the vaccine, pretty much everybody got covid anyway. The vaccine was voluntary (with a lot of unethical coercion).

What do you mean what difference does it make? Isn’t it clear that you cannot attribute tinnitus to the covid vaccine, if the covid virus (or any virus, or any vaccine) causes tinnitus as much or more often than the vaccine does?

If the per-capita rate of onset tinnitus symptoms when getting the vaccine is lower than the rate of onset tinnitus when catching covid, then the vaccine isn’t just not implicated, it’s effectively helpful at reducing tinnitus, as a byproduct of reducing cases and/or severity of covid illness.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#389

Post by jjxw »

Reminder for folks who go to concerts or other events / areas that regularly have loud sounds - invest in ear protection! It is probably not worth it to risk your hearing for a slightly "better" listening experience. You will also avoid that partially deaf feeling after being exposed to loud music / sounds. There are a ton of reusable ear plugs on the market that you can easily keep on your person.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

#390

Post by codethief »

Natsu wrote: post #379
deng wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is called somatic tinnitus and is actually quite common. Like you, I had this since I was a little child and thought this was normal. Only when I first heard of tinnitus as a juvenile, I realized that this is what I had. There have been small studies regarding somatic tinnitus, see for instance https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2633109/ For modifying tinnitus loudness, the most common is that it…

It seems like some cases of tinnitus may be due to tight muscles, too. I don't usually suffer it, but when I do, I've noticed that sometimes massaging the back of the head or jaw can make it just go away. I doubt this works for everyone or for every cause, but it's simple enough to be worth trying to see if it does anything helpful.

Can confirm, I once had an annoying episode of tinnitus for a couple days in a row and it went away once my physiotherapist addressed my neck pain.
Post reply on HN