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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

arrty88 wrote: post #99
CuriousCosmic wrote: post #55

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> And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? You actually can, it's just they don't expose most of it to the user. However people have built tools [1] that give you a pretty UI to manage those more complex configs and apply them to windows. Bonus points in that you can use all the old windows UI elements from previous versions of windows and mix and match them as you choose. Honestly I couldn't tolerate Wi…

be careful. i used this for a while, but then windows updated and ended up bricking my normal user account. had to go into safemode and figure out the incantations to uninstall and resolve. all during a high priority time for needing my computer of course.

Yeah I'm not sure how long ago you used it but ExplorerPatcher nowadays is setup so that it disables itself if explorer crashes more than like twice in a row so that you can debug the issue. Normally it's just a matter of fetching the new symbols (which happens automatically) and occasionally updating. Afterwards you can relaunch EP... or you can just leave it disabled if you are busy.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by type0 »

ragnese wrote: post #153
criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

As someone who has been using Linux exclusively for my personal machines since 2007, here's the chicken-and-egg problem that the Linux world is constantly battling: new technology is always being released and pushed out before it actually works. It's happened constantly since I started using Linux: KDE 4.0, PulseAudio, btrfs (to be fair, most distros didn't really push btrfs as a default), Wayland, etc, and now Flatp…

I'm not sure what distros you have been using but Linux Mint and Debian (if you set it up right) are extremely stable. Snaps have been slow but I have never experienced that with Flapaks; reasonable critique is it takes a lot of disk space and takes too much time to update different versions of underlying tech gtk or qt.

Ubuntu has not been a good distro for a few years now. Even Fedora is more stable now and you get new software.

We never had as good Linux desktop situation as it is now. The biggest complaint is that if you want to use graphics optimized programs you kinda have to use Nvidia and that's still problematic on Linux.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by type0 »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

Maybe you should try FreeBSD, it's much more coherent

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by graphe »

robertlagrant wrote: post #269
graphe wrote: post #199

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Do you use Linux? There are no driver packages on GitHub you make. It's all in the kernel.

Yes, this is Linux. Have a look[0]. [0] https://github.com/lwfinger?tab=repositories

Do you need to build them? I never had a problem. Usually you just need to enable proprietary drivers in the install to have it work.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by LeJC »

chx wrote: post #377
LeJC wrote: post #375

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What do you mean? Switching between integrated and dedicated GPU? Or opening your case and directly removing or adding a GPU? If its the first, I think there is support for this. There's NVIDIA optimus for NVIDIA for instance. The second one, I never thought it could be a use case, even less that Windows would even support that. I always turn off my computer to do anything on my motherboard.

I mean eGPU over Thunderbolt.

Oh yeah, didn't think of that one. Following what's written on arch wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/External_GPU, Xorg doesn't support it and never will. Wayland seems to support it, but I don't know what it implies in use. The issues for KDE, Gnome and wlroot are all mergred.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by calamari4065 »

jerf wrote: post #281
calamari4065 wrote: post #140

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I've had a much worse time with hardware on windows than Linux these last couple of years. My work laptop runs Windows and will get stuck in a BSPD bootloop if I turn it on with external monitors connected. My USB keyboard and mouse disconnect every few minutes. Windows may as well not even have Bluetooth for as well as it works. Some devices always show as connected, despite not being present. I have to un-pair my h…

"I've had a much worse time with hardware on windows than Linux these last couple of years." And I want to emphasize and underline my point here that if Microsoft does just let Windows languish, we are going to gradually see this more and more every year. There won't be a big bang wakeup call. There will always be people who can say "But I haven't had a problem". What you won't be able to easily tell on the forums is…

I honestly think we've already passed the peak and are already in the slow decline. Microsoft has already pushed too hard and alienated too many users. Now they'll slowly keep losing market share while desperately squeezing the remaining market for all its worth until there's nothing left. Their momentum will carry them for an unfortunately long time.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by signaru »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #338
signaru wrote: post #93

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This is why I've been using Firefox downloaded directly from Mozilla for a while now instead of the broken one shipped with Ubuntu. I just need to manually update via the "Help -> About" every once in a while, but things look much better otherwise.

You don’t need to do that. You can install it via apt from the Mozilla ppa, then it updates automatically along with everything else.

It's nearly a year now that I am using Ubuntu 22.04 (and that the Firefox from Mozilla has no problems) so I don't remember all the details. I also tried using the apt version of Firefox as others also suggested. But it eventually got automatically replaced with the snap version after an update.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by nektro »

the__alchemist wrote: post #334

I hope for a future where we are not trapped between Windows, MacOS, and Linux. They are all very complicated, and have much state. They're great for general-purpose computing, but it would be cool if you could use the same hardware in these GP computers with lightweight firmware that doesn't get in the way, and can be tuned to a specific task better. Simple, responsive GUI, could run your specialty software etc with…

> with direct hardware interaction

you're not gonna see this ever again. it'd be reckless to do so with how unsafe it would be

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vladvasiliu »

torginus wrote: post #273
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #236

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> And yet, users don't convert to Linux. So there must be other reasons, and performance benefits don't seem to work so far. For enterprise desktop purposes: One central reason is that there is no Excel for GNU/Linux. Accept it or not: the workflows of lots of departments are deeply intertwined with Excel (and it would take an insane amount of work to replace Excel by some other spreadsheet application). Another impo…

Would it? I exclusively use Office365 on the browser for all my Excel needs. It works perfectly, even if it's a bit sluggish. But I admit, Excel is a side hustle for me.

I rarely, if ever, use Excel. But I find that Outlook in the browser wipes the floor with local Outlook, be it "OG" or "new" Outlook. Everything is much smoother, there are no window widgets crapping up (right now, the min / max / close and window title of my new outlook are black on a dark grey background - I'm using the windows dark theme). This holds even in Firefox on Linux – it's how I mostly interact with MS Office.

What's also fun to me is that the other day, I tried "opening in word" a .docx attachment I received in my locally-installed "new" outlook. It didn't even try to open my locally installed word on ask me anything. It uploaded the file to onedrive without asking and proceeded to launch word online to read it.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vladvasiliu »

mmcnl wrote: post #326
alentred wrote: post #220

In the context of Linux adoption on the desktop it is not big news, unfortunately. To my mind, overall end-user experience is already better in Linux compared to Windows where similar tasks are more complicated, even before the raw performance starts to matter . Better performance would be a prerequisite indeed - no one wants to move a slower OS - but then there must be other convincing reasons to drive the desktop u…

The end user experience is way better on Windows than Linux. And I say that as someone who uses Linux (Ubuntu Gnome) daily. You really have to appreciate the freedom of choice that FOSS brings you to appreciate Linux. If you don't care, as most people do, you're probably better off with Windows. Ofcourse you can counter my reasoning by listing a lot of problems with Windows. And I can assure you that most people don'…

I'd say the windows experience is maybe more familiar, but not better. As another commenter said, people are just used to computers being crappy the windows way. And even that familiarity may not be all that great with all the things moving around in windows 11.

As another commenter has said, window management is a shitshow, and I don't even mean "missing X feature I love from this other WM". Virtual desktops are broken. You have UAC windows sometimes going to the front, sometimes staying in the back. Sometimes they're at the front covering your old window but they don't have focus, even though the caret is blinking. You get windows maximizing behind the taskbar (Teams). Window management is handed-off to applications, so a broken application will poison the rest of the window management.

> Windows is the only OS that can handle different fractional scaling factors properly for multiple displays

I don't know what you mean by "properly", likely not the same thing as I do.

That it kinda sorta works as in "can turn it on"? But even basic OS things are borked. Have you tried opening the start menu after switching scaling factors?

My use case: I have a laptop running at 100%, and an external monitor running at 150%. If I boot it up this way, the start menu looks fine. If I plug or unplug the external screen while running, the start menu breaks. But here's the kicker, which shows the quality engineering: pressing the start button shows an OK menu. Start typing looking for something, and it becomes blurry! This is under windows 11 with all the latest updates.

Also, Wayland on Linux supports this, too. I don't use Wayland, but I understand that whatever problems there are, as in "not all apps are compatible" is the same problem with windows: the app has to cooperate. Try opening some configuration panels in Windows on a 200% screen, and you better have some good glasses on hand.

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