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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by imwillofficial »

jsnell wrote: post #147
imwillofficial wrote: post #81

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This isn’t my experience. Amazon supports most stuff roughly forever.

Sure, sure. I totally get where you're coming from. By the way, how's the Fire Phone holding up for you these days? I assume it's still working well and powerful enough to do your web searches on a9.com, and read sites like the Amapedia and DPReviews. Do you happen to know how many of the Alexa.com top500 sites it can browse, or do you need to ask on Amazon Askville? But I know it won't be able to play Amazon's hit g…

You put a ton of effort into this post and it’s all consumer services.

We are talking about the Cloud.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by jsnell »

imwillofficial wrote: post #381
jsnell wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, sure. I totally get where you're coming from. By the way, how's the Fire Phone holding up for you these days? I assume it's still working well and powerful enough to do your web searches on a9.com, and read sites like the Amapedia and DPReviews. Do you happen to know how many of the Alexa.com top500 sites it can browse, or do you need to ask on Amazon Askville? But I know it won't be able to play Amazon's hit g…

You put a ton of effort into this post and it’s all consumer services. We are talking about the Cloud.

No, we aren't. Everybody complaining about Google having a reputation for killing products is talking about their consumer products.

In fact, if you read just a few posts up, you'll see that in my first message I made the exact point about how Amazon!=AWS just like Google!=GCP. And the rebuttal was that Amazon actually rarely kills products. That's what I was replying to.

If you want to say that Amazon's track record is irrelevant to AWS, just be consistent and apply the same reasoning to Azure and GCP.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by dantiberian »

div_zero wrote: post #36
craigmcnamara wrote: post #6

I find the GCP documentation to be lacking compared to AWS. Specifically while using GCP with Terraform I hit more frustrating nonsense error messages with little to no google hits or undocumented behavior around IAM config compared to my experience doing similar things on AWS.

I'm a technical writing manager on GCP, and we are actively working on improving Terraform documentation. Thank you for bringing up two significant problems with using TF on GCP. If you are willing (and of course have the time), we would love to hear other issues you - or anyone else who reads this thread - are having with TF documentation on GCP as we try and make things better.

A general issue I have with GCP docs is that they are overly implicit. Often the interaction of two features is implied but not specified. Another issue I have is when implementation details are waved away rather than explained. It adds up to an experience where I am trying to read between the lines of the GCP docs for a feature to understand what is really happening.

AWS docs are the opposite. They are often very long and verbose, but once you read the whole manual, you can be guaranteed to have a good understanding of the service.

My advice for the Google team would be that if you are ever writing documentation and ask yourself “does the customer really need to know about this?”, the answer should always be yes.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by cachesking »

Eridrus wrote: post #45
perelin wrote: post #37

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The sentiment is probably not abou GCP as a whole, but about its trigger happiness when it comes to deprecating services. Fun read: https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprec...

I'm not going to read yegge's rants. Name the odds and condition you think gcp will violate.

Google IoT came and went.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Something1234 »

s-xyz wrote: post #28
shell0x wrote: post #15

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100%. My experience has been the same. The docs have their shortcomings and I ended up reading through so many Github issues and random blog posts trying to resolve the issues. From a documentation perspective, AWS is still the best.

Wow I would literally say the opposite. I even use GCP docs as an example for my engineers on how to write proper docs, and did several workshops using the GCP docs as reference. Happy to share the presentation if interested.

Would be interested in the presentation if you can share publicly

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by teitoklien »

raffraffraff wrote: post #303
jsnell wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, sure. I totally get where you're coming from. By the way, how's the Fire Phone holding up for you these days? I assume it's still working well and powerful enough to do your web searches on a9.com, and read sites like the Amapedia and DPReviews. Do you happen to know how many of the Alexa.com top500 sites it can browse, or do you need to ask on Amazon Askville? But I know it won't be able to play Amazon's hit g…

Those are almost (if not all ) consumer facing products. I get it though - most of the complaints leveled at Google relate to their shutting down of consumer facing products. What's Google's track record for removing cloud infrastructure services? In the context of this thread, that comparison would be interesting.

Google recently killed an important firebase feature around cross platform in-app links, not raise prices, no

KILL IT. It’s a feature depended on by tons and tons of customers, that was a far bigger shock for me than google domains, atleast domain infra is designed with migration in mind usually (dns not included)

But google killing of a vital feature[1] of firebase (with no google alternative provided) made me shit scared on if I should integrate with more of their products.

They also randomly jacked up prices of sms authentication exponentially in a day without any major notice and caused a ton of people to get thousands of dollars in bill increase suddenly [2].

Stay away from google is a good idea unless playing russian roulette at work is your hobby.

Every product there is one manager’s ambition for promotion away from being killed and re-invented

- [1] (https://firebase.google.com/docs/dynamic-links)

- [2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Firebase/comments/14cj7au/firebase_...)

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by teitoklien »

Google recently killed an important firebase feature around cross platform in-app links, not raise prices, no KILL IT. It’s a feature depended on by tons and tons of customers, that was a far bigger shock for me than google domains, atleast domain infra is designed with migration in mind usually (dns not included) But google killing of a vital feature[1] of firebase (with no google alternative provided) made me shit scared on if I should integrate with more of their products. They also randomly jacked up prices of sms authentication exponentially in a day without any major notice and caused a ton of people to get thousands of dollars in bill increase suddenly [2]. Staying away from google is a good idea unless playing russian roulette at work is your hobby. Every product there, is one manager’s ambition for promotion away from being killed and re-invented

- [1] (https://firebase.google.com/docs/dynamic-links)

- [2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Firebase/comments/14cj7au/firebase_...)

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by imwillofficial »

jsnell wrote: post #382
imwillofficial wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You put a ton of effort into this post and it’s all consumer services. We are talking about the Cloud.

No, we aren't. Everybody complaining about Google having a reputation for killing products is talking about their consumer products. In fact, if you read just a few posts up, you'll see that in my first message I made the exact point about how Amazon!=AWS just like Google!=GCP. And the rebuttal was that Amazon actually rarely kills products. That's what I was replying to. If you want to say that Amazon's track record…

This is a good point. But I'd like to dig deeper than that.

Google has demonstrated a culture of killing off services. https://www.thestack.technology/google-cloud-iot-core-retire...

Amazon, on the consumer side has many canceled products. On the AWS side they have demonstrated a commitment to keeping old services alive.

So on a surface level, your analysis holds up. But where Amazon has earned some goodwill by supporting even barely used services, Google has not.

Perhaps they will given time, as GCP is fairly new. But when you are talking tens of millions of dollars in spend, reputation matters.

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Post by joseda-hg »

Alupis wrote: post #96
mvdtnz wrote: post #88

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Huh? Microsoft and nVidia (and I think Sony? not sure) are continuing to run their cloud gaming services as we speak.

The market is tiny (relatively) for all of these players. Motley Fool estimates the entire cloud gaming industry is ~$2.5B in total revenue for 2023. Many of the current services are likely running at a loss, hoping for the hype-train to get people into it. The reality is, most people wanting to play AAA titles either have a console, or a gaming computer already The cross-section of people with a 10 year old macbook,…

I honestly believe the market will get there eventually, it's a lot easier for a teen to justify a 18 dollar subscription to a parent than a 400 dollar console/PC

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by latchkey »

n_e wrote: post #307
latchkey wrote: post #53

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Cloud Functions, Cloud Tasks and Cloud SQL Postgres are fantastic too. Very low cost that scales with you and essentially zero lockin.

> Cloud SQL Postgres Although it works and is solid, I wouldn’t say it’s fantastic. My impression is that Google makes limited investment in it to steer customers towards their own services such as Cloud Spanner. - Major versions are 6 months late - Small instances are horribly slow - Integration with other services is poor (e.g. the Cloud Run integration doesn’t work with a database private IP, so you have to fallba…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I started with a small instance, moved up to the next size so I could get more connections and it ran flawlessly for over a year with 50-60 RPS from Cloud Functions, hitting it 24/7. Total price was under $40 a month. Zero regrets and would do it again in a heartbeat.
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