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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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In humans, there seems to be a match between the subjective experience of consciousness and a high level planning job that needs doing. Our current LLMs are bad at high level planning, and it seems reasonable to suppose that making them good at high level planning might make them conscious or vice versa . Agreed, woo is silly, but I didn't read it as woo but rather as a postulation that consciousness is what does hig…

I think we have different definitions of consciousness and this is what's causing the confusion. For me consciousness is simply having any subjective experience at all. You could be completely numbed out of your mind just staring at a wall and I would consider that consciousness. It seems that you are referring to introspection.

In your wall-staring example, high-level planning is still happening, the plan is just "don't move / monitor senses." Even if control has been removed and you are "locked in," (some subset of) thoughts still must be directed, not to mention attempts to reassert control. My claim is that the subjective experience is tied up in the mechanism that performs this direction.

Introspection is a distinct process where instead of merely doing the planning you try to figure out how the planning was done. If introspection were 100% accurate and real-time, then yes, I claim it would reveal the nature of consciousness, but I don't believe it is either. However, for planning purposes it doesn't need to be: you don't need to know how the plan was formed to follow the plan. You do need to be able to run hypotheticals, but this seems to match up nicely with the ability to deploy alternative subjective experiences using imagination / daydreaming, though again, you don't need to know how those work to use them.

In any case, regardless of whether or not I am correct, this is a non-woo explanation for why someone might reasonably think consciousness is the key for building models that can plan.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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> I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally. This is my best guess as well, they are rocketing down the interstate at 200mph and just trying to keep the wheels on the car. When you're absolutely killing it I guess making X% more by being better at messaging just isn't worth it since to do that you'd have to take someone off something potentially more critic…

> When you're absolutely killing it Aren't they unprofitable? and have fierce competition from everyone?

Even if they are unprofitable they can get VC money very easily.

Plus they make 20 dollars a month from a lot of people.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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My biggest complaint with OpenAI/ChatGPT is their horrible "marketing" (for lack of a better term). They announce stuff like this (or like plugins), I get excited, I go to use it, it hasn't rolled out to me yet (which is frustrating as a paying customer), and my only recourse is.... check back daily? They never send an email "Plugins are available for you!", "Voice chat is now enabled on your account!" and so often I…

Your complaint is they don't email you enough ? Sarcasm aside, I understand your complaint, but still, a little funny.

Do they email you a lot?

I'm a plus customer and an API user, and they barely send me anything. One day I just signed in and saw that I suddenly had interpreter access, for instane.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

Yeah but to be honest, I'd wonder how such a simple thing falls to the wayside.

This happens when there are thousands other simple things and a lot of complicated things. When your devs are stretched, you sort by priority and I can tell you this is not that important.

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I still don't understand how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value? The other day I asked it about the place I live and it made up nonsense, I was trying to get it to help me with an essay and it was just wrong, it was telling me things about this region that weren't real. Do we just drive through a town, ask for a made up history about it and just be satisf…

Pay for the Plus version. Then it makes stuff up far less frequently. If the next version has the same step up in performance, I will no longer consider inaccuracy an issue - even the best books have mistakes in them, they just need to be infrequent enough.

> Pay for the Plus version.

> Then it makes stuff up far less frequently.

Now there's a business model for a ChatGPT-like service.

$1/month: Almost always wrong

$10/month: 50/50 chance of being right or wrong

$100/month: right 95% of the time

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If I could harness the power of AI to outsource my tasks, reading bedtime stories to my kids would be the last thing on that list. That's cherished time. Those are lifelong memories. Those are the moments we are supposed to be striving to have more of. It saddens me to think of the amount of engineering work that went into creating that example while entirely missing the point. These are the moments we are supposed t…

The AI takes care of the bedtime stories, giving you more time for video games.

Deepmind can play the video games for you, too

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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> I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally. This is my best guess as well, they are rocketing down the interstate at 200mph and just trying to keep the wheels on the car. When you're absolutely killing it I guess making X% more by being better at messaging just isn't worth it since to do that you'd have to take someone off something potentially more critic…

When dealing with a tech where people have credible reasons to believe it can be enormously harmful on every possible time scale, maybe it would behoove them to not rocket down the interstate at 200mph?

There is always going to be people who against any new technology and who makes up reasons to be against it.

The best defence is to move so quickly that you are an established part of the business framework by the time these forces can gather, or to go so slowly that nobody takes you as a threat.

No startup can go slowly.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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It's true. I mean what is the point of doing schoolwork when some of the greatest minds of our time have decided the best way for the species to progress is to be replaced by machines? Imagine you're 16 years old right now, you know about ChatGPT, you know about OpenAI and their plans, and you're being told you need to study hard to get a good career..., but you're also reading up on what the future looks like accord…

Your username checks out! That said, is it that much different from the past twenty years, when everyone was being told to follow their passion and get a useless $200,000 communication or literature degree to then go work at Starbucks? At least kids growing up with AI will have a chance to make its use second nature like many of us did with computers 20-30 years ago. The kids with poor parental/counselor guidance wil…

I do think it is much different from the past twenty years. Twenty years ago we didn't have ChatGPT. There are things we could compare it to, but there also isn't anything like it.

My biggest fear is just a lack of jobs.

When people need experience to work, and the work you give to people to give them experience is replaced by ChatGPT - then what do we do?

Of course there will still be companies hiring people, but when leadership is telling people to save money - it seems much cheaper to use ChatGPT that it is to train someone.

Why hire a kid that has been using AI, when the AI can just do the work? Or if a kid that has been using AI can do the work of 20 people, what happens to the 19 people that can't find work? Will we be in a place where we need 20 people doing the work of 20 people each? Is that need actually there?

I do very much appreciate your view. I feel like I waffle back and forth between what I'm saying here and your comment.

I apologize for coming across doomer-ish. It is sometimes hard for me to imagine a future for kids growing up with ChatGPT.

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