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Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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> I’m not an idyllic person. I’m not an activist fighting for a better world or anything.

Genuinely, why not? What’s wrong with being an activist fighting for a better world?

I see your kind of disclaimer all the time and I’m baffled that anyone would actively reject this nearly universally accepted pro-social perspective.

Someone help me here

Is the risk of being seen as Naiive really so strong as to overtake the highest ideal of humanity?

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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I really want to experience a happy medium between the barebones minimalism of Gemini and the insane free-for-all of the mainstream web. In my mind, there is no reason for every website to dictate its own layout and appearance when 99% of sites could be broken down into procedural elements that could be rendered however the client preferred. I recently bought a Kobo ereader, and the gorgeous, text-focused, crisp desi…

Yeah this is an underrated position at this point in the history of the web. Back a decade or two ago, people were experimenting with cool graphic design layouts and UI flows and new experiences were always popping up. Now everything is converging on a few CMS layouts and the entire web is just one big SEO grift. I think http has largely run its course.

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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It’s unfortunate that the message discussing enemies was flagged. Maybe it needed to be said in a better way? The US government is undeniably often working against the best interests of its citizens. Corporations, corporate news, and advertisers are also working against our best interests. Im not sure any mindful and reasonable person would refute this. However I will be charitable in saying that I don’t think they’r…

I didn't flag/mod the comment, but I think it errs towards conspiracy theories. I'm not American, and I understand the American government does evil things sometimes, but it also does a lot of good things for its citizens. It builds roads, keeps the skies clear, funds education, health systems, sues tech giants when they go too far, tries to manage the speculation/money markets, etc. To say "undeniably often working…

> it also does a lot of good things for its citizens.

> It builds roads

At insane costs and timelines while also lining the pockets of the politically connected

> keeps the skies clear

60% of power generation in the US is fossil fuels, which is horrible compared to any european country

> funds education

Much less so than any country in Europe, and the cost of education is sky-high

> health systems

Which is terrible compared to any European country, while also being the most expensive and some of the least accessible in the world for advanced countries

> sues tech giants when they go too far

Barely. And the revolving door of regulatory capture is a major problem

> tries to manage the speculation/money markets

Again, less so than many countries. Also the US is $33 trillion in debt

The bottom line is: no public healthcare for most, extremely expensive medical costs, extremely expensive education costs, extremely expensive infrastructure costs, horrible use of fossil fuels, and horrific workers' rights.

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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This! Making >> Not Making, always. You make, you learn, perhaps one day you will make something better, perhaps not — but at least you've been building something. Ignore the armchair critics, criticizing is so much easier than building.

I'm not upset at the OP, but I wouldn't say this is a golden rule. Some people make some really atrocious shit. People should, in general, be at least a little critical of what they're making.

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Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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> I’m not an idyllic person. I’m not an activist fighting for a better world or anything. Genuinely, why not? What’s wrong with being an activist fighting for a better world? I see your kind of disclaimer all the time and I’m baffled that anyone would actively reject this nearly universally accepted pro-social perspective. Someone help me here Is the risk of being seen as Naiive really so strong as to overtake the hi…

Do something badly enough and you can create more harm than good.

Negative confirmation bias being a big one. Do a half-assed job of trying to change someone's mind and they become even more recalcitrant.

I long ago realized I'm not the person who should be leading a group or a club. I respect people who can, and I support them as best I can. It's important work, but it's not for me. Which sucks when the club doesn't exist (I'm currently trying to encourage a couple of people to start one and it's not going well)

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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I really want to experience a happy medium between the barebones minimalism of Gemini and the insane free-for-all of the mainstream web. In my mind, there is no reason for every website to dictate its own layout and appearance when 99% of sites could be broken down into procedural elements that could be rendered however the client preferred. I recently bought a Kobo ereader, and the gorgeous, text-focused, crisp desi…

Reader mode sure looks an awful lot like the Lynx browser, which was HTML rendered in VT100.

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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I think a lot of distaste towards GPL comes from devs with corporate day jobs who feel frustrated that anything GPL licensed is functionally off-limits at work because there’s no way legal would approve of using it, and certainly would not approve of open sourcing whatever project is built with the GPL thing. I can see where such an individual might think to themselves, “I don’t want to put other devs in my position…

Right, corporate lawyers are ideological activists trying to kill GPL. But the campaign to denigrate the ideological activists on the other side is much more successful.

> Right, corporate lawyers are ideological activists trying to kill GPL.

This is a pretty cynical "assume the worst" outlook, and it badly violates Occam's Razor. I think a much more likely reason that corporate lawyers disapprove of the GPL is that one of their main jobs (in some cases their entire job) is to protect the company's IP, and the GPL is a huge threat to IP. Any lawyer who didn't advise avoiding the GPL would be negligent. I personally love the GPL and encourage its use whenever possible, but I avoid it in decisions for my employers and customers because of the risks. I think generally speaking the risks are not nearly as serious as most people I think, but they do exist (otherwise the copyleft philosophy of the GPL would be pointless!)

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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OP here. Thanks for the pos/neg/neutral comments everybody. Some remarks: Yes, there are a lot of browsers out there where I can contribute to which would be more efficient. But that would result in just a few browsers instead of a lot of browsers. I'm all for the last one, as this would give people options. This IS a pet project. I never told anyone otherwise. I would start writing it even when I wasn't fed up with…

To me the logical conclusion of what you write is not to write yet-another-web-browser, because browsers are rotten to the core by terrible protocol designs, terrible specifications, politics, greed etc. Browsers did not spontaneously start to degrade, it's what the key actors at different times did that made it happen. The only hope, IMO, is to build something much more sane that cannot be abused. Something like Gop…

I was going to suggest something similar. Limit scope to something that is pretty (all of the pdf/ps display model?), but doesn’t support arbitrary code execution or surveillance.

Prodigy (a walled garden network like aol or compuserve) in the US tried to build this in the late 80’s / early 90’s (not with the same motivation—-they were trying to build a terminal with vector graphics for the masses).

For this sort of project, and the emotional reasoning you have for building it, I truly believe less is more.

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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I really want to experience a happy medium between the barebones minimalism of Gemini and the insane free-for-all of the mainstream web. In my mind, there is no reason for every website to dictate its own layout and appearance when 99% of sites could be broken down into procedural elements that could be rendered however the client preferred. I recently bought a Kobo ereader, and the gorgeous, text-focused, crisp desi…

As yet another would-be browser developer, thanks for this take. The thing that always puts me off is the insanity that comes with supporting all the ways to style content.

So throw that all away

A Reader Mode Browser with some small quality of life features seems like the perfect project. Thanks stranger

Re: I'm fed up with it, so I'm writing a browser

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OP here. Thanks for the pos/neg/neutral comments everybody. Some remarks: Yes, there are a lot of browsers out there where I can contribute to which would be more efficient. But that would result in just a few browsers instead of a lot of browsers. I'm all for the last one, as this would give people options. This IS a pet project. I never told anyone otherwise. I would start writing it even when I wasn't fed up with…

I don't know why Linus is trying to write a new OS, we already have OSes. It's not like this Linux thing is going to go anywhere.

Version 6 Unix was about 9000 lines of code; the first version of Linux was something similar. Firefox has 27 million lines of code. Linux has about that now, too, which is why one reason you don't see grad-school Linus #2 writing an OS and getting traction.
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