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Why shouldn’t the government have a say in what is taught to children? Children are not their parent’s property. These are future citizens and I would prefer that society has a say in what is taught to them. In a democratic system the government represents the will of the society.
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Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren't professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions. One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents. It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the…
> It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day This is a “tell me you don’t homeschool without telling me you don’t homeschool” No homeschooling family I ever met has set hours, and most spend far less time than that daily. Schoolwork takes a lot less time when you cut out the crowd control, distractions, “pledging allegiance” and other nons…
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When your child is coming home in tears every day because other children are mean, and the teachers and administrators won't do anything, and your child is sitting bored through bullshit indoctrination and being harangued for skipping brainless homework to write or make art or do any number of other things, feel free to sit down and tell them how valuable the public school system is, and how their suffering is stupid…
The school system has many problems. That doesn't mean that homeschooling isn't 10x worse.
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I don't get it. Why can't bullying exist in the group homeschool at church? It's functionally equivalent to a school. Are you making a brand new point about traditional homeschooling (parent-child) or replying to the OP in the thread?
No one that's going to the additional effort of finding and participating in this type of school is going to let their kid be a legitimate bully. That level of parental involvement is what's lacking from a bully's life.
Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren't professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions. One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents. It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the…
>This means the kids gather together in one location because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. >Often as well it makes sense for the parents all to contribute a little money so that instead of the parents having to teach things that they are not expert in, the can pay as a group for someone with subject expertise to assist. >It can be problematic though gathering so many kids into one house for…
I was never homeschooled, and I think homeschooling is generally not a great idea. But there should be an alternative. Anything that doesn't have a pressure valve like that is screwed.
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Uh have you even tried that or know anyone who has? If you have issues with the curriculum, its not getting changed. It’s often set at a state or federal level with a lot of committees and politics.
States set guidelines but Boards of Education choose curricula for their districts.
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I don't get it. Why can't bullying exist in the group homeschool at church? It's functionally equivalent to a school. Are you making a brand new point about traditional homeschooling (parent-child) or replying to the OP in the thread?
If a kid is a bully then the parents organizing the group can kick that kid out (as a last resort). Additionally if a child is being bullied they can tell their parents and the parents can take action directly, this can happen publicly but there's a lot of layers of administration making it non-trivial. In a way the group homeschool can be thought of like a small private school, it's just simpler to handle personal p…
Or they can approve of the bullying. Or they can do nothing because they don’t care, or because they’re socially subservient to the bully’s parents.
It’s simpler to handle personal problems in a small group, it’s also easier for them to fester in a closed group.
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You can hire a private tutor, or teach them maths yourself. Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway.
Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway. That's an absurdly strong and inaccurate statement that feeds into psychological walls that then get erected in the minds of the young and perpetuate ad infinitum. The psychological research here is very clear: stressing work, over some sort of ethereal innate 'talent', in ANY area makes a massive difference in skill attainment. I don't have time this mome…
Its fair to say there is no such thing as innate ability to do math (at least to the level of the average mathematically inclined undergraduate, but I even suspect this applies furthr than that). There are definitely hard cutoffs to whether or not you will ever be allowed to play basketball professionally, regardless of the amount of effort you put in. Its very important that young people interested in computers and coming from all sorts of different environments understand that the topic is not gated biologically, and that they understand that fact as intuitively as professionals in the field. Poor education (or lack of education) is far too often equated with a lack of some kind of innate ability.
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Is this maybe the problem to address, then? Reading this from outeide the US, it's bizarre to me that people don't want a professional, trained teacher who can do a better job than they could.
School is local in the US, so there’s no point in generalizing when discussing things like teacher salary. That aside, a fantastic highly trained teacher with 30 students, isn’t likely to outperform a mediocre teacher devoting their full time to 1 or 2. I wasn’t homeschooled myself but I did help my homeschooled younger (by 20 years) sister with math. If I had the time to devote 30 hours a week or so I’m fairly confi…
A lot of parents that homeschool aren’t, and I sure as hell wouldn’t trust them to teach my kid anything past grade 4.
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The point is that there’s no reasonable - folks doing this have deeply expressed beliefs and if you disagree you’re evil. They only sound reasonable when speaking in general terms. I was a school board president of a catholic school that for the most part aligns with state and professional standards and added faith and cultural material not appropriate in a secular school. The kids get a solid education - We got “inv…
> The point is that there’s no reasonable - folks doing this have deeply expressed beliefs and if you disagree you’re evil. They only sound reasonable when speaking in general terms. This is such good point about why this conversation is so frustrating. Because in the abstract, if good faith could be assumed, there's a discussion to be had here. GP responded to me here being like "well what if they were Russian or Ch…