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Re: LazyVim

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Post by worksonmine »

cerved wrote: post #318
pizza wrote: post #55

Best protip I heard about (n)vim customization: use git branches when you want to switch between different configurations. Eg something like: - vanilla/default - minimal - fancy depending on what you want to deal with. If I go months between using all these plugins I forget what they do and what changed and it’s just noisy distractions that invariably lead me to open my init.lua file rather than what I actually had i…

what do you mean "use Git branches"?

Since the configuration is done in (dot)files you can version and track them with git. If you want several setups you could have them in branches and just ´git checkout X´ in your .vim or .config/nvim directory to change it and it would affect settings and plugins (as they're also just files).

I don't need it but I can see the use. I do have a dotfiles repository however it's very common in Linux and Mac, don't know about Windows. If I setup a new machine or spin up a VM I just have to clone that repository to have all my configurations for everything (even addons for Firefox and Chrome).

This article[1] is a good starting point if you want to try it out.

[1] https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/dotfiles

Re: LazyVim

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Post by StevePerkins »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I just want a decent open source native editor with a native GUI.

10+ years ago, when I and almost everyone I knew were on Windows or Linux, this was simple and ubiquitous. UltraEdit, Notepad++, Vim and Emacs of course, etc, there were dozens of options to choose from.

Then I and most developers that I know switched to Macs, and now this is an alien concept. There's a dearth of open source Mac development, and much of what exists uses Electron or some other crutch to avoid committing to the Mac platform.

I've tried Neovim, but the "GUI" version is basically just the console version in a window. Might as well just skip it and do everything from the terminal.

There is MacVim, but you have to open it from the command-line in order for it to scan your home directory properly. If you pin it to your dock and launch from there, then it doesn't know who you are and launches in stock vanilla mode without reading your .vimrc. Same problem with Geany. I could PROBABLY figure out how to modify the dock icon to launch with the right flags, but the point is that this is unreasonably complex and arcane for most users.

So... I just stumble along with VS Code by default, like most people these days. It's an odd shame that cross-platform desktop app development is as dead as it is, especially considering that most devs today are not using the dominant platform anymore.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by xdennis »

tzhenghao wrote: post #111
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I also went through this phase about a year ago, then just gave up and went with VSCode for its superior out of the box experience. That said, I still fire up vim to read files in a server or make one line config changes, but everything else....VSCode. Related: Imagine having to remember the full scp / rsync command to sync source file(s) between your local machine and server, but it's just a drag and drop on VSCode.…

> Related: Imagine having to remember the full scp / rsync command to sync source file(s) between your local machine and server, but it's just a drag and drop on VSCode.

What's hard about this?

    rsync -a dir/ server:dir/
I'd much rather have commands in my terminal where I can search for them later than do things visually and have no record of what I did once and how to repeat it.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by konart »

afarviral wrote: post #308
konart wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lu Can't agree with this at all. I don't think I've spent more than an hour in total setting up my vim config back in…

Haha 1-2 hours ... Maybe things have improved since 2018 but I was up to about 25 hours and still not satisfied with the results. That might be just being a perfectionist or coming from another IDE and trying to replicate something. But 1-2 hours is not a reasonable amount of time to set aside to set up a truly usable custom ide with neovim to acquire the knowledge to drive it.

>and still not satisfied with the results

One can never be satisfied with the results. "There is no endgame", right?

1-2 hours is more than enough to get to work with autocompletion, syntax, filesystem explorer and a few more plugins for your convenience.

>coming from another IDE and trying to replicate something

This. Some people try to replicate IDEA or something like that. Obviously you can spend weeks trying to do this

Hell, configuring https://github.com/mfussenegger/nvim-dap + https://github.com/rcarriga/nvim-dap-ui can take a week alone I guess.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by tjdevries »

nithinbekal wrote: post #56

A much simpler alternative to this is kickstart.nvim. My approach to customizing my neovim config was to use kickstart as a reference, and slowly add things that I needed. https://github.com/nvim-lua/kickstart.nvim

glad you are enjoying it :)

Re: LazyVim

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Post by oblio »

turboponyy wrote: post #345
oblio wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it you've never played a fast game with keyboard controls? :-) They could have laid out the arrow keys WASD style. One up, one mid-down, two to the sides. Nobody said they had to use dedicated arrow keys. Just lay them out like a normal human being. Whatever key for up should be up, whatever key for down should be down, whatever key for left should be to the left, whatever key for right should be to the right.…

In the specific case of text editing with vi bindings, having up and down on the same row is more convenient, since you don't have to move your fingers to perform linewise vertical motions (compared to a standard WASD "grip"). Navigating within a line using left and right is uncommon when using vi bindings, since there are usually better ways to jump between locations within a line, so it makes more sense to pay the…

> That being said, your gripe seems to be overstated, if this is your biggest problem with vi-style binds.

I like their composability and I'm generally fine with them, the real Vi problem is just... bad embeddability. Almost none of the apps that I'd want to use with Vi bindings support them to a native Vi level (Firefox - it used to support them well but then they killed the extensions; shells with Vi support only have half baked support, same for IDEs, let alone stuff like Outlook and whatnot :-) ).

Their lack of ubiquity will always doom them to a niche thing used by devs and sysadmins, sometimes, and only by some of them.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by dizhn »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I went from VSCode back to vim via Neovim and it works great. I am setup for go and lua. I took a base config called kickstart and removed things I didn't need. Then I added things I do need. As for the community, the channel on Matrix is one of my favorite communities. Whenever I needed help, it came instantly and with precisely what I need. (They must be getting the same things a lot). They never suggested I use a big plugin to solve a little problem as far as I can remember.

All in all it looks like we had a wildly different experience. I suspect the real issue is that I like to work with vim a million times than I did with vscode. You might me biased the other way. I feel better on the command line and it's amazing how much people have figured out already to make things run well and look nice.

Kickstart nvim: https://github.com/nvim-lua/kickstart.nvim

Re: LazyVim

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Post by duckqlz »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I vehemently disagree with this. I find managing vs code extensions a nightmare and having to download them based on rating alone when there are 300 extensions for every query is untenable in a production environment.

Furthermore if you want to customize a vsc extension to do something unique for your set up you have a whole new set of issues like finding the settings, documentation etc.

Now if you can get over all of that it’s still a bulky, slow and cluttered IDE that is constantly sending telemetry data and other nonsense around the web

While I haven’t tried LazyVim I would strongly recommend LunarVim to anyone new to the vim ecosystem. It installs fast, needs minimal set up and packages can be installed with a single line in the config or through packer. Most things work out if the box. But if they don’t vim is so mature you can just ask chatGPT.

Seems like ease of use is also the aim of lazyvim so I would not discourage anyone from trying this flavour as well.

In the end it is whatever works for you.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by Timpy »

I really wish I could just put a native neovim or vim text editor inside VSCode and call it a day. I absolutely love the lightning fast experience of editing with vim. When I know exactly what I want to do, I feel like I just ripped a line of spice and piloted a trade vehicle across Frank Herbert's universe.

But a lot of my job is exploring a code base and trying to figure out what the hell is going on, and I have to concede that setting up vim to do this kind of broad exploration isn't that great. Being able to click around at random and juggle tabs in the UI instead of storing buffers in my head is nice. I know vim can solve all of this, but I just found myself gravitating towards VSCode when I'm crunched for time and can't be bothered with vim.

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