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Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by trelane »

hparadiz wrote: post #352
trelane wrote: post #342

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> I mean, https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen7-7840u So, they took a cutting edge Windows PC, slapped Linux on it, and it didn't work well. How well did OSX do when they tried it? Clearly, OSX isn't ready for the desktop! No wonder nobody runs it! Modern computers are complex enough that they can work well with Windows, OSX, or Linux, but they don't work well with more than one of them (unless the designers wor…

So true. If you get a System76 laptop you can get some really amazing hardware and make sure to never pay the Windows license fee.

It's not about the fee (generally it's small for you (though for the OEM it's critical, and one of the ways MSFT gets OEMs to do their bidding (a small example is how they all "recommend Windows" on their sites; it's a discount on the fees they pay MSFT)). The fee also is why you get so much crapware on new Windows boxes.

It's about the hardware's support of the OS (see the firmware discussion above).

It's also about your support experience as a customer (do you have to reinstall Windows before the OEM will give you the time of day, let alone fix the hardware glitch you're hitting)

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Post by Joker_vD »

rvz wrote: post #304
throwaway2990 wrote: post #51

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It is when you’re talking specifically about desktop usage.

Precisely. Quite hilarious to see some HNers who cannot even read the title of the article and are compelled or have the urge to bring up other irrelevant statistics to hide the little to no desktop usage when compared to other desktop operating systems.

The more things change... I've seen mostly identical (in spirit, not in technical details) discussions about the "Year of Linux on Desktop" in 2013, which was 10 years ago. I am quite sure I can safely bet the discussions 20 years ago, in 2003, were also pretty much the same.

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Post by fsflover »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #361
fsflover wrote: post #194

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The parent is talking about the operating system, not all software running on the machine.

The "operating system" is not really operating the system anymore. They're just an app sandboxed away from the real hardware by the real operating systems hidden away in the machine. https://youtu.be/36myc8wQhLo

Nobody said it wasn't important. It's just a different kind of problem. I personally run disabled and neutralized Intel ME to be a bit safer.

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36678795.

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Post by Karunamon »

sokoloff wrote: post #325
wraptile wrote: post #319

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That's what killed Macos for me. What's the point of all that hardware if everything has 0.5 second delay - it's ridiculous.

For casual computer users, that animation/delay is the difference between “oh no, what just happened?!” and “oh, that button sucks this window down into the taskbar picture where I can easily find it later. Cool.” You want the window to just vanish (which I get), because you have a model of computing that doesn’t need the genie animation. Most everyone on HN has a model of computers far in excess of the median comput…

That explains the default, not their inability to change the behavior.

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Post by hollerith »

Joker_vD wrote: post #382
rvz wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. Quite hilarious to see some HNers who cannot even read the title of the article and are compelled or have the urge to bring up other irrelevant statistics to hide the little to no desktop usage when compared to other desktop operating systems.

The more things change... I've seen mostly identical (in spirit, not in technical details) discussions about the "Year of Linux on Desktop" in 2013, which was 10 years ago. I am quite sure I can safely bet the discussions 20 years ago, in 2003, were also pretty much the same.

1999 was the first year of Linux on the desktop if I remember correctly.

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Post by ChatGTP »

mdhen wrote: post #335
ChatGTP wrote: post #50

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Been using for 15 years, I've never sat there and worried about gtk or qt, Maybe wayland or X11, but I've just naturally moved to wayland? Just install something like Fedora, and you won't worry about it, it will just work. I personally hate Ubuntu btw Canonical is just not for me. I have no idea how it's so popular. Personally Fedora or NixOS are just so superior I don't know why anyone bothers with anything else.

> Personally Fedora or NixOS are just so superior I don't know why anyone bothers with anything else. The AUR.

Arch is also freaking awesome too!

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Post by fsflover »

patrulek wrote: post #375

Linux is fine for tech people, but it is far behind on list for non-tech people. It is (was? im not into Linux) just less friendly and usable. I would guess that most of the people are not that much tech-familiar.

My non-tech relatives are using Linux just fine (I installed it for them).

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Post by georgyo »

resolutebat wrote: post #293
jacquesm wrote: post #236

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> What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. That's a funny conclusion to make. In the business world that still exists and even my kids are forced into the Microsoft eco-system by their school because the software they insist you run (for which perfectly good web alternatives exist) only runs on windows.

True, but increasingly marginal. Many schools have adopted Chromebooks (Linux in disguise) and even the MS Office suite has largely moved online.

If the parents are talking about choice, then forced Chromebooks are not choice. The students must use them, and schools like them because they are very locked down and centrally observable.

But the student has no choice

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by sylware »

Android/linux did confirm the following: until it does a not too shabby job at being an operating system, the only thing that matters: mass default installation on devices.

How to do it when the devices are already locked-in by a monopoly? That would be ultra hardcore regulation (USA grade) with alternatives which would have to be financially backed by some means to keep those alternatives "out-of-the-economy", until it reaches economic equilibrium (if ever... since big tech has infinite money...).

That said, current elf/linux distros have a lot of nasty too (planned obsolescence is very strong).

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