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Post by escape-big-tech »

rekoil wrote: post #250
nmc wrote: post #137

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The investigation partly relies on notes seized from the defendants which mention various privacy tools: GrapheneOS, LineageOS, Signal, Silence, Jitsi, OnionShare, F-Droid, Tor, RiseupVPN, Orbot, uBlock Origin… According to investigators: "these elements confirm they were willing to live clandestinely". According to the prosecution: "these notes consituted a real playbook allowing anonymous use of a phone, showing th…

> showing the person was willing to live in secrecy and hide their activities Wait, is it illegal to *checks notes* have personal privacy ?

absolutely disgusting, you're telling me that you don't want to be stalked 24/7? that you don't want the whole world to know everything you're doing? how dare you imply that you're a human being and that privacy is one of the most important rights you have? now dance monkey, dance /s

to quote professor farnsworth: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

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Post by light_hue_1 »

Beldin wrote: post #246
light_hue_1 wrote: post #239

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The situation is a bit less dire than that thankfully. 2/3rds of AfD supporters claim to be doing it as a protest vote. And that they don't support the AfD. Just like with brexit. There's still time for an alternative before all of Europe goes in with fascism again.

> There's still time for an alternative That is somewhat funny/punny, since that is (as you're probably aware) literally in AfD's name: Alternative for Germany (Deutschland).

You would think that with that pun I wouldn't get downvoted. Ah well :)

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Post by martin8412 »

derelicta wrote: post #327
ikt wrote: post #307

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I think maybe because the rest of the world sees those changes he pushed through as incredibly mild he increased the pension age because people are getting older and the state will not be able to afford it? wow what a crazy dictator

He used emergency powers to pass the law because he knew such law would hardly survive the regular legisative process. It might not be a Putin-style dictatorships but its definitively heading in the wrong direction. And thats without mentionning the use of abuse of administration prohibitions towards anti-racist associations and environmental groups.

How would it ever pass normal legislative process? If I tell you that you have spend two more years working and there's no benefit for you at all, would you vote for it?

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Post by martin8412 »

skitout wrote: post #315
qsdf38100 wrote: post #282

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Come on, this is so exaggerated. If you care about democracy, you have much more relevant menace in France. People are screaming about Macron for some reason. Because they were told he is a DiCtAtOr!! Because he didn’t fold to unions. Apparently unions are to be obeyed otherwise you are a dictator? While obeying to elected government is dictatorship? It’s a nice inversion. The true authoritarian menace in France come…

Well, democracy is not 0 or 1, there are shades... So for sure Macron is not a dictator, but French democracy "grade" was not super high and it did went down. French 5th republic is sometimes nicknamed "presidential monarchy"... Electing the parliament quite at the same time as the president did reinforced the power of the president. The rise of the far right basically made that the one in the best position against f…

Of course most of the workers are against working for two more years with benefit for themselves.

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Post by martin8412 »

Aeolun wrote: post #232
sofixa wrote: post #18

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The law doesn't say being suspicious is criminal, but that organising with the intent to commit terrorism is, and that's what the prosecutor's will have to prove. The real, actual problem is the unlawful detention. > And, amongst other things, using Signal and Linux with the encryption-on settings are explicitly listed as some of the things making them suspicious in the eyes of the law. In combination with other thin…

> have you organised illegal activities through encrypted chat communications If I did, why in hells name would I tell you? Why would you ask that in the first place? To catch out the incredibly dumb terrorists?

If you lie, they can either put you in prison or deport you if you are not a citizen.

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Post by Kuinox »

explorer83 wrote: post #121
Kuinox wrote: post #111

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Macron is not a fan of theses social policies, he is right leaning. His governement reduced labor protections, butchered educations, worsened public healthcare, and do nothing for the environment.

Im not arguing the point. It's a sad state of affairs. But Le Pen was painted here as a female version of Trump. So that's why Macron was perceived as representative of French progressiveness.

Macron's minister of the interior, Gérald Darmanin, described Le Pen as "too soft". France is not a bi-party system, Macron is not progressive.

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Post by denton-scratch »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #175
cm2187 wrote: post #85

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They have not been dissolved because they left their phone at home, they have been dissolved because it was a violent organisation that was systematically attacking the police and destroying property. And given the sort of stuff they brought to their protests: swords, machettes, baseball bats, jerrycan, bricks, fireworks, petanque balls, Molotov cocktails, fire bombs, etc, it is particularly disingenuous to pretend t…

Impressive mix of lies. The total value of items destroyed has been estimated to be about 8 million by the French state. While not a small number, I haven't seen the antiterrorist police be sent to the FNSEA's headquarters for their history of violence and destruction ever since 1960. It is part of their methods ever since their inception, but greasing some palms high up in the government certainly helps. >And given…

Thanks for the traduction; I haven't seen an account of this yet in UK media.

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Post by Kuinox »

lucasRW wrote: post #146
Kuinox wrote: post #111

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Macron is not a fan of theses social policies, he is right leaning. His governement reduced labor protections, butchered educations, worsened public healthcare, and do nothing for the environment.

Economically right-leaning but culturally left-leaning, he's let in tens of thousands of migrants, does not expel them (cf. the "OQTF" stories pretty much every day), and on top of that, uses taxpayers money to fund them throughout the country.

You are mixing up stuff to fit your scenario. OQTF stories are up to police incompetence, not lax imposed by the governement. Culturally left-leaning if very bold given the recent pension reform debacle, bypassing any democratic recourse. Also very bold statement given the police repression of mosts of the protests.

There is nothing Macron that is left leaning, relative to France politic spectrum.

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Post by soco »

wholinator2 wrote: post #331
pif wrote: post #298

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> the very point of a protest is to be visible. And that's why the public space must be made available for protesters, it's part of the life of a sane democracy. Public space and free press are sufficient if you have a point that matters to other people. But if you feel the need to hijack another event in order to get people's attention, maybe you don't have a valid point to start with?

I would argue the conclusion to that isn't that they don't have a valid point, but that the people cannot be sufficiently motivated, or that they are unsure how to protest effectively, or that they are unaware that disrupting often leaves people feeling disrupted, that feeling disrupted is not a positive feeling, and that associating Negativity with a movement too many times can really hurt it in the long run. Just l…

I argue that PETA succeeded to bring into the official discussion other, more moderate organizations, thus effectively moving "the cause" forward at the expense of their own organization. Probably that was not their goal, but from a 10.000 feet it looks like achieving that. I think the same goes with the "eco terrorists", they may get slaughtered in the process but ecology gets on everybody's tongues. Again not sure they are planning it like this or it's just a side effect.

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Post by martin8412 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #286
martin8412 wrote: post #174

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The act of going to Syria to fight on either side is a crime in itself.

Not according to the French law. A crime is not something you evaluate morally. It has a very narrow definition that is codified by each society it is been judged in.

It's grounds for having your citizenship revoked unless it will render you stateless. People suspected of being on the way to Syria would get their passports confiscated.

Nine EU countries made similar rules, though I don't know how many still have it in effect. Any citizen/resident of Denmark is still prohibited from going to the conflict zones of Syria and Iraq.

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