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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by foresto »

alecco wrote: post #151
mjamesaustin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was confused at first by the federated nature of Lemmy, but making an account was easy and I'm thoroughly enjoying it now. The important thing to note – even though you join a particular Lemmy "instance", it doesn't particularly matter which one, because you can subscribe to communities (subreddits) from any instance. The instance I joined – vlemmy.net An aggregator of communities to join – https://lemmyverse.net/c…

Seems lemmy community has some issues. https://www.jayeless.net/2023/06/on-reddit-and-alternatives....

Rumors of "tankies" running lemmy.ml gave me pause at first, but since it's a federated network with established independent nodes, it seems to me that a single problematic one shouldn't condemn the whole Lemmy platform (let alone the whole Fediverse, of which it is a part).

Alternative implementations would probably help as well. Kbin seems to be one. Given the sudden recent interest, perhaps we'll see more before long.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by mrtranscendence »

satvikpendem wrote: post #334
AlexandrB wrote: post #273

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Reddit doesn't seem to be ok with that either as there are reports they're undeleting content users delete in protest. The basic message is: "we control every aspect of content you put on here".

Well, according to their TOS, they do. It's really no different than any other site being able to use what you post on there.

They have the right to reverse deletions, but it's a supremely bad look and if they're really doing it (this is the first I've heard of it) I hope they catch a huge amount of flack. There could be very good reasons for some of those deletions that might impact safety, job security, or personal relationships.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by [deleted] »

ethbr0 wrote: post #325
ahepp wrote: post #196

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This is what I don’t understand about the claims that any next generation of mods would be incapable of doing the job. I think it will be exactly like the current status quo. You see subreddit and mod drama happening all the time. So many people want to moderate a local subreddit for Seattle that we have at least three different ones. The mod teams for each all have strong (and different) political views. But the thr…

Inquiring minds (and a future resident) need to know -- which Seattle subreddit is the best? Or at least, what are the flavors?

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by LanceH »

EA-3167 wrote: post #12
LanceH wrote: post #11

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Same can be said about how they mods are treating the rest of the sub.

How so?

A lot of people claiming that the moderators are producing the content when they are more like editors in the scheme of things. Non-moderation redditors are the one producing the bulk of the content.

So I'm saying that the moderators consolidating their whole sub's voices into the voice of the moderator is analogous to how reddit is telling everyone how the site as a whole must be used.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by bbor »

slaymaker1907 wrote: post #363
bbor wrote: post #96

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Is it not a real strike if the volunteers provide labor? A question for the philosophers, and in the coming years/decades, the lawyers. In the us it is the national labor relations board, after all! Not employement relations

I think it’s something different than a strike and should thus not have any legal protections. Strikes are fair in some sense because workers aren’t being paid during that time (or at the very most by the union coffers) which goes up against the company’s ability to weather the lost revenue during the strike. In this case, mods can keep subreddits dark without any cost to themselves because they aren’t being paid by…

Mmmm I have an issue with the specifics of that metaphor applying to Reddit, but in general, people volunteer because volunteering brings them some non-monetary benefit, so I see it as basically the same dynamic. Of course you can’t lock the doors, just like you can’t physically obstruct/harm scabs.

In the near future when AGI eliminates scarcity (2025?) this will have to be litigated!

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by mrtranscendence »

root_axis wrote: post #92
pixelpoet wrote: post #5

I really hope a decent Reddit replacement shows up soon; my impression is that HN is mostly webdevs, so surely some of y'all are on it?

There are dozens of alternatives to reddit, the issue is that the vast majority of reddit users don't care at all about this drama. Reddit is not going anywhere.

I think Reddit faces more potential downside here than other similar platforms might, because of the popularity of third-party apps among key contingents of the site (particularly moderators), and also because of the missteps that management has taken dealing with the API changes. If they lose even 5% of their traffic to this debacle they've made a bad decision, IMO.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by mrtranscendence »

acheron wrote: post #38

I'm thrilled to watch reddit burn itself down, but of course the mods of big subs were one of the main reasons it was so terrible. If reddit could clone dang a few dozen times, then sure, kick the old mods out and maybe the site could get a handle on itself and be mildly worthwhile. But in reality, whatever jabronis they end up putting in place are not going to be any better than what they had before, and probably ev…

> the mods of big subs were one of the main reasons it was so terrible

I've heard this, and was just reading a thread on Reddit where many users told of their mistreatment and unjustified banning. But anecdotally I've never actually noticed mod misbehavior, and I've been a Reddit user for like 17 years. Could be the subs I read ... most of which aren't extremely huge, I guess. Still, I feel like I should have been banned from somewhere at some point if capricious, power-hungry mods really were as rampant as they're made out to be.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by cactus2093 »

munificent wrote: post #288
jmull wrote: post #178

I'm almost starting to think they really will break Reddit. When all this started I had no doubt that the protests would come, make their point, end, and then Reddit would continue on its way. But this has been so poorly handled. I think a key to reddit's "success" (such as it is) is that they figured out how to scale moderation -- by getting volunteers to do the tough work for free. I'm sure reddit can toss all the…

> When you're working for yourself doing what you want, when you want, you don't mind not getting paid for it. When a boss is telling you want to do and when to do it, you expect to get paid. Reddit is making itself the boss of the mods. This is spot on. Reddit's success relies entirely on the intrinsic motivation of moderators. That intrinsic motivation in turn is derived from the feeling of building something of lo…

> create a space where a community of people you care about can thrive

> the reward could evaporate at any moment

Wait a minute, is the reward the fact that the community exists? That's not going to evaporate overnight when Reddit replaces a mod.

The fear of your reward evaporating sounds a lot more like this work is driven by ego and the desire for control.

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

progval wrote: post #365
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #324

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Again, not an expert on French law, but in the US you can just hire someone else to do the job in the case of most strikes. pejoratively called scabs.

It's illegal for employers to hire fixed-term employees in this case: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F34 However, they can have volunteers fill the position: https://www.editions-tissot.fr/droit-travail/jurisprudence-s...

Interesting that it’s the case that they can have volunteers in french law given the context of reddit volunteers.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by mrtranscendence »

rafark wrote: post #308
Jabbles wrote: post #292

Facebook has ~a billion or so~ users and is worth ~$500B. Reddit has ~hundreds of millions of~ users and is not worth anything like that. Why? Facebook's content is provided by all its users for free? So if Reddit can figure out a way to monetize it like Facebook, it's worth literally hundreds of billions of dollars. Which is why the leadership of Reddit will do anything if there's a chance that they can dramatically…

There’s no way reddit has anywhere near a billion users. It has millions. Facebook is ubiquitous, pretty much anyone from any age, gender and a country has heard of Facebook. Reddit is a big site, but it’s still a niche site when compared to the big social media giants. It probably has less users than twitter, which has a fraction of Facebook’s.

I tried to Google how many users Reddit has. The numbers are all over the place. Various links on the front page say:

1.66 billion monthly users

430 million monthly users

50 million monthly users

330 million monthly users

Who the hell knows.

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