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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Foxhuls »

fomine3 wrote: post #334
jsnell wrote: post #195

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You're not going to play VR games with a vanilla console controller. And if you're thinking of emulating non-VR PC games on the headset, that seems like it would not be all that compelling. What's the draw?

Gaming is always 2nd class citizen for Apple. It will continue for Apple Vision

I really don’t think that’s the case anymore after seeing WWDC and what people are doing with the new game porting toolkit. Individuals at their homes have Diablo 4 already running what seems to be flawlessly on their MacBooks using it. Also they brought Hideo Kojima out during the conference to talk about it, including announcing that DS was going to be released on max along with the sequel. I think apple is finally acknowledging gaming exists.

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

MrJagil wrote: post #356

For the third time, I’d like to reiterate my point on Metas recent trailer for their new Quest headset: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201835 It turns out, it wasnt marketing that did wrong when Meta designed their trailer to be hip and energetic and happening. And it wasn’t Apple marketing that just “got it right” with their trailer when they focused on immersion. In reality, it has nothing to do with market…

The Vison trailer felt like it was directed by Cronenberg or David Lynch.

Something very off about it, the over-polished, plastic execs, talking out of smiles wider than the grand canyon and the weird almost dreamlike people and scenarios.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by throwaway2990 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #245
throwaway2990 wrote: post #222

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Ew. Fat shaming is not a good look. You don’t know them. You don’t know the reasons for their weight. They very well could be using the device daily to exercise for all you know and it could be an issue with his metabolism. Or another medical condition. Or a side effect of drugs. Or literally hundreds of other reasons.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by shard »

throw9away6 wrote: post #268
baby wrote: post #260

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> The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. > We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. market share of android vs iOS in 2023: > Android 71.63 > iOS 27.71

Yeah but unit sold doesn’t matter much when apples units sell for 700 and android ones for 150

It matters when, in a world with only Apple, most of the world would still be using feature phones.

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Post by throwaway2990 »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #375
htag wrote: post #351

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I'm unsure if you meant to deadname Emily, or if you are unaware of her public transition a couple of weeks ago. https://youtu.be/b-owBhLGaH4

News to me – way to go, Emily! Love her videos, and really glad to see her taking this scary and exciting step into public life. Looking forward to more great content from her in the future!

News to me too. Explains why there hasn’t been any videos recently with them.

Noted.

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Post by zacte »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #49
anonzzzies wrote: post #14

Keep bickering ya’ll ; it’s all better for us people who want to get work done. Apple made it more serious and even shows they actually support some of the Vision of Zuck. Let all big corps come in and compete for whatever their vision is. I just want holodeck hardware and software with weeklong battery life. This is getting is closer. One of the things that the Apple announcement will do; because it supports all iOS…

Are the iOS games just in pancake mode, or are they doing something clever to make them 3D?

I think it's a good idea letting people get used to 2D apps in VR. Apple could've done more to first party apps to use their 3D space because they clearly showed us it works with the butterfly, dinosaur bit. I guess it depends on the developers now?

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Post by seanhunter »

brandall10 wrote: post #331
juunpp wrote: post #270

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The $3500 price tag and closed ecosystem is self-sabotaging, so MZ doesn't need to be worried at all. Carmack's vision was a cheap device that could hit mass market, and that's where the real game still is. Also, games.

But they're different classes of devices in a way. It's a new (primarily) standalone computing platform vs. just a peripheral. As far as vision, Meta's ultimate goal is to be the modern version of Linden Lab while Apple is providing the next step in personal computing. Meta's product is the metaverse. Apple's product is this device bolstered by their ecosystem. Give it a couple iterations and you'll have something th…

For sure. This is the key insight imo:

> Meta's product is the metaverse. Apple's product is this device bolstered by their ecosystem.

One way or another, that's the bet here.

1) Apple didn't mention the metaverse at all (as far as I can remember)

2) The user experience looked great, without those moments that would make someone who was neutral think "Err, ... that's a bit .... creepy"

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Post by shard »

isoprophlex wrote: post #326
baby wrote: post #260

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> The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. > We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. market share of android vs iOS in 2023: > Android 71.63 > iOS 27.71

71.63%, but made up of an inordinate amount of outright cheap and/or high volume/low margin shitphones that last 1-1.5 years before self-destructing under the burden of their own pre-loaded bloat and adware. That's not business, that's a struggle for survival.

The billions of people in poorer countries are able to have access to the world's knowledge due to smart phones are better served by those cheap smartphone than something they can never afford.

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Post by chaostheory »

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

> Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too.

As excited as I am about Apple Vision, Mark is right about this. Most of Apple’s demos don’t show the user being active, and the Vision’s price is anything but demographic even though it’s fair, given that it’s a miniaturized MacBook with magic powers

On other hand, the Quest and its apps make you move. Most of the apps on Quest are low key cardio workouts, though it’s not initially apparent to most users when they’re fighting ninjas or dodging bullets.

Do I think Apple Vision is incapable of what the Quest is capable of in terms of helping their users be active? Definitely not. Anything the Quest can do I’m sure Vision can do and then some. I’m also sure that future Apple Vision spots will highlight this. However, Apple is not showing anything at the moment.

> Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software.

I’m sure he is to a degree, but meta needed Apple to enter the market. It would be much worse for meta if Apple didn’t validate the often criticized and ridiculed AR VR industry.

While meta has been able to make a revolutionary product at a great price point, it’s been hampered by

1. meta’s poor past reputation,

2. meta’s terrible marketing & messaging. The Super Bowl ad was nonsensical to normal people,

3. the intimidating form factor of most VR headsets including the Quest aka face buckets of isolation. Many normal adults refuse to put it on their faces without a lot of coaxing, and

4. not being able to market the Quest to children. They are the largest demographic who just intuitively understand VR AR. They also have the highest retention. (There is one old study that shows that it may be harmful to children, but many people have criticized its methodology.)

Now that Apple has fixed the messaging for the industry, Apple can dominate the high end while Meta can take everything else. People who are buying Vision likely would not buy a Quest and vice versa

Meta won’t have a real fight until Samsung & Google re-enter the space.

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Post by the_gipsy »

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

Facebook is not in panic, they're relieved that they're not the only fools betting on VR anymore.

None of this will be relevant soon to consumers, except maybe games, and then it will be console makers who will push it and cash in. For Facebook and Apple it's just shareholder porn.

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