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Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by lisasays »

poxrud wrote: post #365
Matl wrote: post #307

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There are many, many explanations for i.e. why didn't China attack Taiwan (yet) and while the U.S. finger in the region helps in some ways, supporting Taiwan proclaiming independence for example may actually not be helping to prevent war there. It seems to me like China is much more reluctant than Russia is to go to such a war, probably because apart from facing domestic nationalistic pressure to do so, there's littl…

"as well as Ukraine say banning Russian language books" Russian language, and Russian books are not banned in Ukraine. Some anti Ukraine books were removed from public libraries.

Banned, no. But thanks to the 2019 law they are suppressed in the public sphere to a significant degree.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by Matl »

genman wrote: post #380
Matl wrote: post #357

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Why is there 'anti-US sentiment' in the Global South?

Why is there for example anti-US sentiment in Russia? Because it's beneficial for its leader(s) to cultivate and magnify it.

I am sure this is the case and that US history of coups in countries of the Global South has absolutely nothing to do with any potential sentiments there.

Thinking non-Westerners can't think for themselves isn't helping sentiments there either I'd imagine.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by Matl »

lobocinza wrote: post #374
Matl wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many, many explanations for i.e. why didn't China attack Taiwan (yet) and while the U.S. finger in the region helps in some ways, supporting Taiwan proclaiming independence for example may actually not be helping to prevent war there. It seems to me like China is much more reluctant than Russia is to go to such a war, probably because apart from facing domestic nationalistic pressure to do so, there's littl…

Chinese are extremely risk averse. They will eventually invade Taiwan but only when the odds are extremely in their favor. The Russian invasion of Ukraine showed them that they need to prepare better. I wouldn't be surprised if their economy collapses/stagnates before this day even comes.

> I wouldn't be surprised if their economy collapses/stagnates before this day even comes.

As predicted every year for the past 15 years.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by poxrud »

lisasays wrote: post #381
poxrud wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"as well as Ukraine say banning Russian language books" Russian language, and Russian books are not banned in Ukraine. Some anti Ukraine books were removed from public libraries.

Banned, no. But thanks to the 2019 law they are suppressed in the public sphere to a significant degree.

What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context? The books are either banned or not. People are free in Ukraine to read and posses Russian books. You can sit in a coffee shop in Kyiv with a Russian book, while speaking Russian to a friend and be perfectly fine.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by lisasays »

poxrud wrote: post #384
lisasays wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banned, no. But thanks to the 2019 law they are suppressed in the public sphere to a significant degree.

What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context? The books are either banned or not. People are free in Ukraine to read and posses Russian books. You can sit in a coffee shop in Kyiv with a Russian book, while speaking Russian to a friend and be perfectly fine.

What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context?

Information about the law is very easy to find. If the topic interests you it may be worth your while to have a look.

The books are either banned or not.

Or there's a greyscale. Like you know, most things in life.

Again, do yourself a favor and look into the law and what it does. I could explain, but you need to at least do some of the work yourself here rather than just speculate into the air about the state of things in some far away country.

I'm not being snarky. It just seems weird to me that, having been given perfectly sufficient context to answer the question all by yourself ("2019 law") -- the only impulse you seem to have is to sit back and speculate.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by lisasays »

brabel wrote: post #311
genman wrote: post #304

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I think you completely misinterpret the situation with Russia and China. Russia and China have the objectives of their own. For Russia it is to expand their empire that in their own mind rightfully belongs to them. They didn't attack Ukraine because of US actions but because they seriously believe that they have some kind of right over Ukrainians lands, or even more seriously, that Ukrainians don't exists. If US woul…

No, you're misrepresenting it. Your rationale is that Russia is an evil empire trying to expand its borders to its former glory, and that's why it attacked Ukraine... a primary school level of simplification. You ignore that Russia's number one fear after the collapse of the USSR was for another military invasion from the West, as had happened several times over the last few centuries... that Russia's border with Ukr…

Your rationale is that Russia is an evil empire trying to expand its borders to its former glory, and that's why it attacked Ukraine... a primary school level of simplification.

Disagree. Replace "evil empire" with "Old-school imperialist power" and you have a 90 percent approximation to the essential truth about that country (or its current leadership, in any case). For all its banality.

Though "evil" of course is not a misplaced word to use either, in regard to its actions.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by genman »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #360
Viliam1234 wrote: post #341

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You can both be right at the same time. It is true Russia was invaded several times over the last few centuries. It is also true that Russia have invaded and annexed many countries over the last few centuries. Evil empires also get invaded once in a while. Sometimes, when everyone else is hostile to you, it can make sense to consider that maybe... just maybe... you might be doing something that triggers their anger.…

> Sometimes, when everyone else is hostile to you Anthromorphizing, just another symptom of the human mind’s inability to really comprehend things as complex as geopolitics. We’re not meant for this, people! Technology has complexified our simple and beautiful world.

We understand the "geopolitics" very well. We also understand that pretender, that Russia is, always has been and always will be.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by genman »

javifu wrote: post #370
brabel wrote: post #311

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No, you're misrepresenting it. Your rationale is that Russia is an evil empire trying to expand its borders to its former glory, and that's why it attacked Ukraine... a primary school level of simplification. You ignore that Russia's number one fear after the collapse of the USSR was for another military invasion from the West, as had happened several times over the last few centuries... that Russia's border with Ukr…

You are completely right and I highly recommend to watch "The Putin interviews" by Oliver Stone to those who disagree. America is trying to drive Europe and Russia away, just to defend a collapsing empire. The sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline ($10B) began long before it was blown up and the Ukraine war has deep roots and consequences to Europe. The EU is just one of the Sauron's rings of power, it's not Eur…

You are full of you know what and so is Oliver Stone. What next, you quote Steven Seagal? I'm sorry, but Russia is a genocidal Nazi state. If you have not realized this by now then you haven't paid enough attention.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by genman »

Matl wrote: post #382
genman wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there for example anti-US sentiment in Russia? Because it's beneficial for its leader(s) to cultivate and magnify it.

I am sure this is the case and that US history of coups in countries of the Global South has absolutely nothing to do with any potential sentiments there. Thinking non-Westerners can't think for themselves isn't helping sentiments there either I'd imagine.

And these things had nothing to do with Russians sticking their noses everywhere and trying to implement their communist genocide over all the world? How many victims of communism is there? I mean, how many millions, sorry, tens of millions is there?

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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lisasays wrote: post #385
poxrud wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context? The books are either banned or not. People are free in Ukraine to read and posses Russian books. You can sit in a coffee shop in Kyiv with a Russian book, while speaking Russian to a friend and be perfectly fine.

What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context? Information about the law is very easy to find. If the topic interests you it may be worth your while to have a look. The books are either banned or not. Or there's a greyscale. Like you know, most things in life. Again, do yourself a favor and look into the law and what it does. I could explain, but you need to at least do some of the work yourself he…

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