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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by yunwal »

TchoBeer wrote: post #271
CydeWeys wrote: post #232

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> For all their failures, this is where Amazon and Microsoft excel Amazon isn't doing all that well recently, though (check $AMZN). And I'd argue that the product design on their biggest product, the e-commerce bit, is terrible. I know so many people, me included, who no longer buy entire categories of goods on Amazon because you simply can't trust the quality/authenticity of the goods anymore.

Amazon's biggest money maker is AWS, so even if the storefront is slowing down in growth they're still doing fine.

AWS’s market position is deteriorating rapidly. They’re now at just over 30% of market share compared to 50% in 2018. Meanwhile the trend right now is big companies pulling their core infra out of the cloud and into their own datacenters. They also haven’t managed to launch a game-changing best-in-class service or feature in 5 years outside of maybe custom lambda runtimes.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this AI wave pushes azure into the forefront.

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Post by egeozcan »

musictubes wrote: post #229
egeozcan wrote: post #45

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If gods of chaos decide give a future where google completely gets broken up a chance, I'd be massively pissed if someone doesn't detach google reader and bring it online just to make a point .

There are plenty of good RSS services now. In fact I’d argue there is more choice and higher quality now than when Reader was around. I use Newsblur as my aggregator and either net news wire on my Mac and Unread on my iPhone and ipad. I’m glad Google got out of the RSS business.

I know, that's why I said they should revive it just to make a point, not that people would prefer it anymore.

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Post by jsnell »

bena wrote: post #341
bdavisx wrote: post #218

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What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

Eh. Yes and no. Homebrew may be a wonderful product, but that doesn't make the creator a wonderful engineer. Useful things can be poorly created. And this is not to shit on either Homebrew or Max Howell. I personally do not know if Howell is a wonderful engineer or not. He's obviously competent enough to ship working software. That's not nothing. And everyone has an idea on how to improve everything. Sometimes we're…

> I think traveler01 does have a valid question. Essentially, with all of their engineers, why is Google so limited? [...] They just don't seem to be able to monetize beyond ads.

Google's non-ads businesses are about $60 billion / year revenue. That seems like quite a lot!

To put it in context, that non-ads business would be in the top 20 for all tech companies by revenue. More than e.g. Oracle or Cisco. Roughly the same as IBM or HP. A bit smaller than Intel. Those are not small or unsuccessful companies (e.g. Oracle has 140k employees).

It actually seems pretty amazing that what HN thinks is Google's failed side hustle is comparable to the entire business of what would have been considered tech giants a few years ago.

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Post by amluto »

hrunt wrote: post #135
_fat_santa wrote: post #130

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They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone…

> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

Google has spent the last 10 years ago making Google worse. They achieved this in large part by making the whole Internet worse [0], but a search engine with results of the quality of Google 10 years ago would be a serious competitor.

[0] For example, Google used to have a fairly strictly enforced rule that indexable content had to actually be visible to an unauthenticated user. The current crop of sites that have apparently useful content in snippets but that hide it when loaded would have been penalized, possibly severely.

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Post by 0zemp1c »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #374
0zemp1c wrote: post #342

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> as well as sweeping out crappy "customizations." huh? Samsung OneUI features have been making their way into mainstream AOSP...particularly the tablet-focused stuff there is no way Google will ever try to "strong arm" Samsung...Samsung is the Android market, the Pixel line is a rounding error and in no way a competitive threat

Hmm... >40% of Samsung's net revenue is mobile devices. Only ~56% of Google's revenue is from Search ads - 40% of Samsung's NET REVENUE comes from selling Android devices. It's almost as if Samsung is a lot more dependent on Google than the other way around. At the end of the day - the majority of people you default to Bing search are going to switch back to Google. Samsung will be lucky to get a meaningful amount of…

> It's almost as if Samsung is a lot more dependent on Google than the other way around.

in a pinch, Samsung could just fork the AOSP project and continue forward without Google, it would be trivial for app makers to re-publish their apps in a Samsung app store (and many already do)

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #130
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone…

They used to ship a Google Drive app for Windows that adds it to Explorer similar to OneDrive. They killed it, as with everything else.

Edit: I'm wrong!

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Post by GeekyBear »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively.

I've always been shocked that Google didn't face antitrust action over using their internet video monopoly to kill Windows Phone. They wouldn't create a Youtube app for Windows Phone, nor would they allow Microsoft to create one themselves.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Is this really about AI and ChatGPT? Google search just sucks now. I actually get better results from Bing and Duck Duck Go.

> then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop

With their inferior products? Not a chance. Google's apps are so far away from even competing with Microsoft's it's not even funny. Google Sheets doesn't even have proper tables. I wouldn't even be surprised if they cancelled it.

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Post by kvn8888 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #386
_fat_santa wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone…

They used to ship a Google Drive app for Windows that adds it to Explorer similar to OneDrive. They killed it, as with everything else. Edit: I'm wrong!

No, backup and sync was rebranded to Google drive for windows

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Post by adithyassekhar »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #211
kramerger wrote: post #7

Wait, people actually use the android search box? It's usually the first thing I remove

How do you search on your phone? Open the web browser, navigate to google.com and enter your query?

Opening the widget is useless because it shows the result in the Google app (a 350MB monster) and when you click to open a result it opens in app.

You can't have your browser's features, You can't open multiple results in multiple tabs you need to go back each time.

A better option is to add the browser's search widget on the home screen, it takes you straight to the address bar where you can enter your query. All modern browsers support searching from the address bar, no need to go to google.com

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