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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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>The fact is if he wasn’t in San Francisco, he wouldn’t have been killed.

He knew the alleged assailant. There's nothing precluding them from getting into the same exact argument, with the same exact outcome, in any other locale.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This reply is either a troll post or you're severely disconnected from reality.

Ah yea you’re right. San Francisco is actually a wonderful place to raise a family and live a good life where nothing bad happens.

Do you live in San Francisco?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> including current faves Austin and Miami Austin has 2.57 murders and nonnegligent manslaughters per 100K. Same year, SF has 6.35 per 100K. So SF is twice as bad as Austin. Your right about Miami though. But 6.35 isn't bad. The murder rate in St Louis (for comparision to the US city with the worst) is 66.07 per 100K. And Colima Mexico (worst in the world maybe) is 182 murders per 100K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-ho...

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-crime-rate-bob-lee-sf-vio...

2021 numbers put Austin slightly ahead of SF.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I'm not a Maoist so I can admit when I was wrong. Looks like it was a personal beef.

But that in no way changes the point that SF is a toxic environment. Here's the SF fire commissioner being brained by a violent homeless man this past week...

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/video-shows-ex-sf-fire-c...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

SF still has above average violent crime[1]. Its top 7 in terms of overall crime, so being "just" above average for violent crime seems not so bad in comparison. But the objective reality is that BOTH property crime and violent crime is worse in SF than in most other cities.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Yeah, I get the same thing with Chicago. Anything that allows them dump on their "enemies".

The Chicago one gets me. I am not in SF often but we have taken 3-day weekend trips to Chicago since my children were 3. Multiple times walking around downtown, enjoying Navy Pier, even a couple of cases where we were walking to our hotel probably later than we should have after the fireworks. Not once did we ever feel unsafe in the 10 years we have made trips out there. But read the news and you'll think it was a la…

Chicago and NYC feel (and are) very safe in the high-income and touristy areas. SF is unique in that the crime "leaks out" into those areas.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

> It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! Steven Pinker has made a career out of this. Ironically a lot of his adherents are quick to jump on the "this is the safest time in human history" statistical warbling when discussing an issue they feel doesn't personally affect them.

It is the safest time in human history. Not for your laptop sitting in a car perhaps, but the greater context is important.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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It’s interesting that you feel the need to say you don’t mean to politicize this, when the topic is already quite clearly political in nature, you’re simply addressing a point in an ongoing political discussion.

Why is one tech exec killing another tech exec "political by nature"? Seems the definition of personal or business related, not political.
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