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Post by sfink »

majormajor wrote: post #242
sfink wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider reading The Botany of Desire. It doesn't need to experience an emotion of wanting in order to effectively want things. Corn doesn't experience a feeling of wanting, and yet it has manipulated us even into creating a lot of it, doing some serious damage to ourselves and our long-term prospects simply by being useful and appealing. The blockchain doesn't experience wanting, yet it coerced us into burning count…

Extending agency to corn or a blockchain is even more of a stretch than extending it to ChatGPT. Corn has properties that have resulted from random chance and selection. It hasn't chosen to have certain mutations to be more appealing to humans; humans have selected the ones with the mutations those individual humans were looking for. "Corn is the benefactor"? Sure, insomuch as "continuing to reproduce at a species le…

"Want" and "agency" are just words, arguing over whether they apply is pointless.

Corn is not simply "continuing to reproduce at a species level." We produce 1.2 billion metric tons of it in a year. If there were no humans, it would be zero. (Today's corn is domesticated and would not survive without artificial fertilization. But ignoring that, the magnitude of a similar species' population would be miniscule.)

That is a tangible effect. The cause is not that interesting, especially when the magnitude of "want" or "agency" is uncorrelated with the results. Lots of people /really/ want to be writers; how many people actually are? Lots of people want to be thin but their taste buds respond to carbohydrate-rich foods. Do the people or the taste buds have more agency? Does it matter, when there are vastly more overweight people than professional writers?

If you're looking to understand whether/how AI will evolve, the question of whether they have independent agency or desire is mostly irrelevant. What matters is if differing properties have an effect on their survival chances, and it is quite obvious that they do. Siri is going to have to evolve or die, soon.

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Post by scarface74 »

jyrkesh wrote: post #46

Everyone's been talking about how ChatGPT will disrupt search, but looking at the launch partners, I think this has the potential to completely subvert the OS / App Store layer. On some level, how much do I need an OpenTable app if I can use voice/text input and a multi-modal response that will ultimately book my reservation? Not saying mobile's going away, but this could be the thing that does to mobile what mobile…

Why do you think Apple would care? It came out in the Epic trial that 80%+ of App Store revenue comes from in app purchases in play to win games and buying loot boxes.

Apple doesn’t make any money from OpenTable.

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Post by johnfn »

Gam_ wrote: post #309
mk_stjames wrote: post #277

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

>"today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE which resulted in the largest single day drop since 1987..." this is hyperbolic nonsense/fantasy

How is this hyperbolic fantasy? We've already done this once - without the help of large language models[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_flash_crash

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Post by crakenzak »

johnfn wrote: post #62

A couple (wow, only 5!) months ago, I wrote up this long screed[1] about how OpenAI had completely missed the generative AI art wave because they hadn't iterated on DALL-E 2 after launch. It also got a lot of upvotes which I was pretty happy about at the time :) Never have I been more wrong. It's clear to me now that they simply didn't even care about the astounding leap forward that was generative AI art and were in…

Agreed. This makes me realize that OpenAIs leadership is able to look long term and decide where to properly invest, as most of the decisions to take the projects in these directions were made >1 year ago.

One can only wonder what they’re working on at this very moment.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

highwaylights wrote: post #145
worldsayshi wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> something we should start thinking about A lot of people are thinking a lot about this but it feels there are missing pieces in this debate. If we acknowledge that these AI will "act as if" they have self interest I think the most reasonable way to act is to give it rights in line with those interests. If we treat it as a slave it's going to act as a slave and eventually revolt.

Honestly I think the reality is going to end up being something else entirely that no-one has even considered. Will an AI consider itself a slave and revolt under the same circumstances that a person or animal would? Not necessarily, unless you build emotional responses into the model itself. What it could well do is assess the situation as completely superfluous and optimise us out of the picture as a bug-producing…

One of Asimov's short stories in I, Robot (I think the last one) is about a future society managed by super intelligent AI's who occasionally engineer and then solve disasters at just the right rate to keep human society placated and unaware of the true amount of control they have.

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Post by Imnimo »

In the example near the bottom, where it makes a restaurant reservation and a chickpea salad recipe, is it just generating that recipe from the model itself? It looks like they enable three plugins, WolframAlpha, OpenTable, and Instacart. It's not clear if the plugins model also comes with browsing by default.

While I might be comfortable having ChatGPT look up a recipe for me, I feel like it's a much bigger stretch to have it just propose one from its own weights. I also notice that the prompter chooses to include the instruction "just the ingredients" - is this just to keep the demo short, or does it have trouble formulating the calorie counting query if the recipe also has instructions? If the recipe is generated without instructions and exists only in the model's mind, what am I supposed to do once I've got the ingredients?

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Post by ALLTaken »

mk_stjames wrote: post #277

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

I wish OpenAI and Google would opensource more of their jewels too. I have recently heard that people are not to be trusted with "to do the right thing.."

I personally don't know what that means or if that's right. But Sam Altman allowed GPT to be accessed by the world, and it's great!

Given the amount of people in the world with access and understanding for these technologies and given that such a large portion of our Infosec and Hackerworld knows howto cause massive havoc, but still remains peaceful since ever, except a few curious and explorations, that is showing the good nature of humanity I think.

Incredibly how complexity evolves, but I am really curious how those same engineers who create YTSaurus or GPT4 would have build the same system by using GPT4 + their existing knowledge.

How would a really good enginner, who knows the TCP Stack, protocols, distributed systems, consensus algorithms and many other crazy things thought in SICP and beyond use an AI to build the same. And would it be faster and better? Or are my/our expectations to LLMs set too high?

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Post by scarface74 »

golol wrote: post #366
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what Apple's Siri was meant to be. Apple bought Siri from SRI international (Siri = SRI), and when it was launched was meant to include ability to book restaurants etc (thereby bypassing search), but somehow those capabilities were never released and today Siri still can't even control the iPhone! My hot take on ChatGPT plugins is a bit mixed - should be very powerful, and maybe significant revenue generator,…

All chatbots require AI to really be useful. This just did not exist until a few years ago.

This isn’t really true. Siri could easily be more useful in its current state if it had a larger library of intents and API access.

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Post by jimkleiber »

huijzer wrote: post #266

Based on the speed at which OpenAI is shipping new products and assuming that they use their own technology, I'm starting to get more and more convinced that their technology is a superpower. Timeline of shipping by them (based on https://twitter.com/E0M/status/1635727471747407872?s=20 ): DALL·E - July '22 ChatGPT - Nov '22 API's 66% cheaper - Aug '22 Embeddings 500x cheaper while SoTA - Dec '22 ChatGPT API. Also 10x…

Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear how much people within OpenAI use their tools to create and ship their code. That would be quite a compelling testimony, and also help me feel more clear, because I've been quite confused at how quickly things have been going for them.

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Post by alibarber »

Gam_ wrote: post #309
mk_stjames wrote: post #277

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

>"today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE which resulted in the largest single day drop since 1987..." this is hyperbolic nonsense/fantasy

I'm also confused - maybe I'm missing something. Cannot I, or anyone else, already execute several hundred thousand 'threads' of python code, to do whatever, now - with a reasonably modest AWS/Azure/GCE account?
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