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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by vladvasiliu »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #223
znpy wrote: post #220

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i don't play videogames and i don't do ai/ml, video editing or whatever. i spend most of my time in firefox and in terminals. i do use virtual machines quite a lot to test stuff around, so high cores count and high memory would be a plus for me. but an nvidia gpu is a deal breaker for me. I just don't want it. I don't need it, i don't use it, it just makes the whole thing less usable. and it draws a lot power that i'…

I mean, in a laptop, you dont use the dGPU on battery unless its for compute, period. It should just be sitting there turned off (which indeed means you dont want it). But if its sucking any power, thats a bug. That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels.

I haven't noticed any difference between an i5-8500 with its integrated GPU and my gaming PC with an RX5000 something. Both running latest windows and edge.

They actually feel similar to Firefox running on Linux on an i5-6500's IGP.

It probably depends on the websites you visit. The only thing better on the newer ones is video decoding for YouTube or the like. I usually actively avoid websites with animations and other similar stuff as I find them very unpleasant to use. But I've noticed those typically tend to use the CPU, even on a Zen3 or Intel 11th gen IGP, even on Windows + Edge.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by an_aparallel »

vanilla_nut wrote: post #92
KeepingItToasty wrote: post #18

Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good it…

Framework should beg Sensel for a blank touch surface...which you could press a couple of macro keys to entirely transform the surface with. users print out a custom layout to guide their fingers.../dream

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by vladvasiliu »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #201
vladvasiliu wrote: post #142

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Not OP, but in my case, I'd love an HS part without a dGPU. I'm typing this on a 5650U and its integrated GPU is overkill for what I do. Hell, until a year ago, I used to daily drive an i5-6500 with an HD530 with a 4k display and I never felt limited by the GPU. But I do use the CPU from time to time, so a beefier part would be useful. I would rather not pay for a dGPU which I'd use maybe 1% of the time, and which wo…

I dunno, as time goes on I am wanting to do more and more on the GPU. Last gen it was media processing and upscaling, now its running Stable Diffusion and other Generative AI. But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster.

> But what it sounds like you want is an E-core mad part from Intel. I always thought they should sell a 20-30 core laptop part with only one or two big cores as a compilation monster.

Indeed. I've been looking at the 12th gen laptops we're getting at work, but those were underwhelming. I don't remember which model CPU it was, but it only had 2 P cores (those are basically for "office work", so no one cares about performance). For compilation (Rust) it was in the same ballpark as my 11th gen i7 (so 4 "regular" cores + HT). For basic day-to-day work, they both felt the same.

As you say, I'd expect a part with more P cores to be interesting for my use case, which is exactly the same as your sibling's [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vladvasiliu#35280246

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by stavros »

miloignis wrote: post #176
genocidicbunny wrote: post #129

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Perhaps it's not updated yet, but I don't see AMD in that list.

In the blog post they indicate that they will be supported: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-gen-in... Optimized for Linux We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 38 and Ubuntu 22.04 will work fantastically out of the box for both the 13th Gen Intel® Core™ and AMD Ryzen™ 7040 Series models. We have thorough setup and troubleshooting guides and will contin…

For what it's worth, Linux works great on the current generation. Even sleep works, although it wakes up so quickly that I'm not sure it's actually gone to sleep. I should try pinging it to see.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by smoldesu »

dymk wrote: post #312
starkparker wrote: post #171

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There's no retail way to try a Framework. This might not help you, but I've got a 13" MBP and 13" Framework both in my lap right now and can say if you absolutely can't stand having a laptop that doesn't meet Apple hardware fit and finish, just stick with Apple. The Framework's my daily driver, it's nice but not exceptional, and feels like the $1,000 laptop it is. The value for me is entirely inside of it. This work-…

I've never had a mac last less than 4 years, and the ones > 4 years old just become my backups. I doubt Framework laptops will find themselves with similar lifespans.

> I doubt Framework laptops will find themselves with similar lifespans.

I wouldn't be so sure. If there are viable ways to recycle both the chassis and internals, the average Framework will probably outlast the revered old-school unibody design. It will certainly outlast anything with it's storage soldered-on.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by nrp »

ploum wrote: post #241
nrp wrote: post #216

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Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.

An ortholinear keyboard? Wow, that’s my dream. Do you have the link? (and when will you eventually ship to Belgium?)

We announced today that we’re opening preorders for our new products this summer in Belgium (and Italy, Spain, and Taiwan).

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by nrp »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #371
nrp wrote: post #50

I’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.

Is there any progress being made with some of the nagging issues that impact the 12th gen intel laptops when using Linux? Specifically poor battery life (especially during standby when using the USB-A module) and not being able to use the brightness keys unless you disable the sensor?

Our latest beta BIOS updates improve the power consumption while using USB-A Expansion Cards on 11th and 12th Gen. We have some additional improvements we’re working on around this on HDMI and DP cards as well. For the brightness key/ALS conflict, this is pending additional driver work.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by nrp »

noveltyaccount wrote: post #207
TulliusCicero wrote: post #187

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I didn't quite get what form the modular upgradeable graphics would take: * Is this an "egpu connected by a cable" situation, or something actually integrated into the laptop's body? * What are realistic possibilities for how much gpu, and how much of a premium would it be over other laptop or desktop gpu's? Is this something you would be making, or third parties?

Seems like pcie connection to the mainboard > The Framework Laptop 16 has an Expansion Bay system that contains both the cooling fans and an interface for high-power, high-speed PCIe peripherals like GPUs. Expansion Bay modules can extend in both thickness and depth to accomodate higher power requirements. https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay

This is correct. We shared the draft pinout in this repository.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by zmmmmm »

yumraj wrote: post #345
zmmmmm wrote: post #329

It seems to be a secret how much RAM these things have - is it embarrassingly small, or nobody cares? It's been a revelation having 64gb in my Macbook, I never want to go back.

what's secret? Even the Intel 13" can be configured and ordered with a max 64GB DDR4 RAM for a total of $240, so am sure that the 16" would be configurable with at least that much. AMD can be configure for 64GB DDR5 for $320. Again, that is total $240 for 64GB RAM. Apple charges $800 to upgrade from 16GB to 64GB. RAM can also be purchased separately from the marketplace[0], or from a retailer of your choice, if cheap…

thank you! just surprised it's not right there as a spec on the page for the 16" which clearly would be for power users. So many laptops max out at 32g or even 16g.
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