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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by filmgirlcw »

kristopolous wrote: post #366
justin66 wrote: post #365

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I think we can all agree that a man who is unaware of the troubles you have experienced obtaining Raspberry Pis at list price is nobody's hero.

Do you want more? He didn't know pac's relation to he-aac, or digital FM was renamed hd radio (which uses mdct, based on he-aac, based on pac). I was volunteering for the debian booth and thought Debian and raspberry pi os had no relation. None of these things matter because you're just being an asshole.

I think being obsessive that someone didn’t know digital fm was renamed he radio or that Raspberry Pi OS was based on Debian (maybe if the name was still Raspbian it would be more obvious) makes you more of an asshole than the guy you’re responding to.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by filmgirlcw »

agent281 wrote: post #378
filmgirlcw wrote: post #376

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I was there in person and I debated with whether or not I should shout down the guy who basically insulted him for giving what I thought was a great talk. Obviously, I didn’t (because nothing good would come from making a spectacle like that), but it bothered me that he was insulted for presenting what I thought was a really beautiful and humanizing talk. I met Ken the day before and he told me he was nervous about h…

Yeah, it made me sad because he sort of apologized to the person. Ultimately, Ken doesn't owe anyone anything.

That part kind of broke my heart. In retrospect, I should have gone with my gut and shouted “we love you, Ken” after he did that. Because you’re right, he doesn’t owe us anything. And he certainly doesn’t owe us trying to uphold some ideal we have of him that we’ve invented on our own.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by filmgirlcw »

nntwozz wrote: post #167
rcstank wrote: post #105

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What’s wrong with other people agreeing? Maybe they like Linux too. Also, why does it matter to you if people have a different opinion?

To answer your questions, nothing and it doesn't. The laughter and clapping just reads as puerile to me. On a tangent I'm very fond on GNU/Linux, I run a Debian homelab plus some Pi 4s. I also use Macs since 2006.

I was in the audience and I certainly didn’t clap. It wasn’t the whole crowd (tho it was most of it, as one would expect at a major Linux community conference), but I rolled my eyes by the crowd reaction too — tho I don’t blame/judge/fault people for their reaction. I’ve always been the Mac user at the Linux conference (and I like Linux very much, but I like it on the server or an RPi) and you know going in it’s like wearing Yankees hat to a bar full of Red Sox fans.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by kristopolous »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #379
kristopolous wrote: post #349

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It's a technically oriented, open source, Linux conference and he's talking about basically his home stereo. Well ok, I guess he can do whatever he wants. There's expectations from the context though. That speech was the first time I understood how people can become too famous for their own good. I saw him the day before (and I've got the photos to prove it) and he made a bunch of factual mistakes. Nobody cared enoug…

The man is 80 years old. High status doesn’t give people a pass, respecting what people have contributed and not having the need to “well, actually” every little thing does. I met him Saturday too and I was struck by how lovely and down to earth he seemed. Who cares if he isn’t intimately familiar with RPi4 prices and availability? The cyclical and location-based nature in how these things work makes it impossible fo…

> Who cares if he isn’t intimately familiar with RPi4 prices and availability?

He says he has about 100 of them and made a number of specific claims on it - that he's some huge supporter of it. I chose that example because it was conclusively wrong.

Regardless, that's not the point.

The point is everyone will rise to his defense based on his status regardless of his content.

Not like that has been clearly demonstrated in my replies or anything ...

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by kristopolous »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #381
kristopolous wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want more? He didn't know pac's relation to he-aac, or digital FM was renamed hd radio (which uses mdct, based on he-aac, based on pac). I was volunteering for the debian booth and thought Debian and raspberry pi os had no relation. None of these things matter because you're just being an asshole.

I think being obsessive that someone didn’t know digital fm was renamed he radio or that Raspberry Pi OS was based on Debian (maybe if the name was still Raspbian it would be more obvious) makes you more of an asshole than the guy you’re responding to.

The point is prestige overrides all other faculties.

As a addendum, if it's hnuser:kristopolous pointing this out, then since there is no clout and prestige attached to my name I get attacked.

I claimed this social phenomena existed and then it happened like a scripted play in these replies.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #77

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

I recall reading an interview many years ago where he mentioned downloading large quantities of music to build his personal collection and that his employer, AT&T, did not object.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by wyclif »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #370
phforms wrote: post #321

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In Ventura (13.2), you can turn off automatic updates in the “General” tab, then “Software Update” and click on the little “(i)” icon to the right of “Automatic updates”. When I saw it the first time, it was unclear to me that I can even click on it, since it doesn’t look much like a button. They shouldn’t hide such important settings in a tiny icon or at least should have made it much more apparent that it is clicka…

It's actually "Wake for network access" setting, see here: https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c?t=349

Thanks for pointing to that. I don't think I've ever checked this setting, but I just did and in the latest macOS it's located in System Settings>Battery>Options>Wake for network access>Only on Power Adapter and it was already set so I'm good. Hmmm. I don't remember ever changing it from the default.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by wbear »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #356

I was using a combination of windows/linux for a while until my archlinux laptop shit the bed after an update and I decided to say, fuck it, I'm finally buying a macbook because at least then I can still do unix shit without having to worry about everything working the next day. I'm not happy about "Apple Silicon", it does feel restrictive and often times the only way to get around it is to use licensed VMs, which fe…

You might like your macbook's hardware more than you think. It's a pretty open platform with a standardized instruction set and on open bootloader than can run Linux with pretty good hardware support for such a new platform.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by wbear »

m463 wrote: post #315
burntalmonds wrote: post #75

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"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

I think apple is degrading general purpose computing. It seems like you have to buy software to do anything on macos more conveniently. Why can't I write a script in python? or a gui script in python? it's the top language. You can use say swift, but even with "oh we opened it up", it's really an apple-specific language, and it's compiled. Yes you can get brew going, but that's not apple. and ios - what a travesty. Y…

macOS comes with python already.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by fomine3 »

phkahler wrote: post #287
kitsunesoba wrote: post #130

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I think permission systems are bound to wind up in all desktop operating systems, eventually. They’re already on Linux for those using Flatpak. Trusting random third party binaries with access to everything is increasingly too much of a gamble, even for more technical users. That said, I agree that the macOS implementation has issues. It’s tricky though, because if they make it as simple as confirm/deny dialogs, you’…

>> I think permission systems are bound to wind up in all desktop operating systems, eventually What I'm about to say may seem wrong, stupid, or crazy at first. I think permissions often belong in the GUI. Applications would get no access to the file system directly, but they could use an API in the gui to open files - only files that are granted access by the user, often by selection in a File->Open dialog or other…

That what Microsoft WinRT/UWP/whatever implemented.
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