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Re: Twitter was down

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A simple and short lived glitch does not a #3 make. Twitter is better than ever now. Elon did good.

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For the time being you can get rid of naughty ol' Mr Car by blocking him, though I'd honestly question how long this will be effective for.

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Or else your site for logged out users will go down for an hour? What was the reason when Twitter went down pre-Elon? I really don't see the reason for this artificial drama. Do other "X service is down" threads go this way? People say Elon is dramatic, but this thread is honestly ridiculous and way more dramatic than anything I've seen him post.

The frequency and types of outages and failures is significantly more frequent now than pre-Elon. This isn't a surprise to anyone, given Elon's strategy for maintaining Twitter (or not maintaining it, as the case may be). I don't interpret a lot of "drama" as you put it, but interest. Many observers here are in this field, and follow the "chaos engineering" discipline. Some of them use tools like "chaos monkey" that…

Well, the fail whale was a meme way before the musk era..

Re: Twitter was down

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> Sending best of luck to the engineers. ... mostly around the hope they can jump ship before the Titanic pulls them under.

Why would you stay at Twitter? Even if you believe in the platform and the mission, this has to be one of the most stressful work environments in tech right now. The only cases I can think of for staying: - Unfortunate H-1Bs tied to the job. (We really need to make it easier for these folks to switch jobs and keep their visa!) - A feeling one needs the job and can't easily get work elsewhere. Perhaps living paycheck…

(Not at Twitter) Interviewing sucks and many people have other priorities in life, like family, etc.

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Isn’t that true of any url though? The U is for uniformly useable, it never guarantees uniform resolution.

It's even more-so true for t.co URLs though because instead of just 1 point of failure there are 2 points of failure. The original URL may work for another decade but if you don't know what the URL is behind the t.co URL and Twitter is down or whatever, then you're just out of luck.

I don’t think it necessarily changes the reliability of the URL. A server or dns change is similarly problematic.

The only issues I have with shorteners is that they obfuscate what you’re accessing (so if it changes, it’s harder to know) and they’re a privacy issue

Re: Twitter was down

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The fun part is that the CEO is on Twitter as this happens, arguing about COVID.

When I checked this morning, he was busy posting borderline sexist dad jokes: ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632574090216103937 ) I still don't understand why every fifth post in my feed is an Elon tweet, I don't even follow him. I could block him but I find it interesting to see how much of his content is pushed toward me who hasn't asked for it.

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Re: Twitter was down

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There were many different hypotheses on the outcome of Elon firing 80%+ of Twitter employees: 1. The site would crash and burn the next day. 2. Nothing would change. All those engineers were anyways just sitting around. 3. There would be no immediate impact (servers can run by themselves after all), but the site would slowly degrade over time as institutional knowledge around maintenance, upkeep and all the various s…

Let’s not pretend like Twitter has never had downtime, they literally popularized the “Fail Whale” meme way before Elon was around: - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/the-s...

twitter had 5 'major' outages in 2022. Twitter had 5 'major' outages in March 2023. (citations needed)

Re: Twitter was down

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post #354

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There's definitely a correlation. But not having layoffs just doesn't mean no outages.

> There's definitely a correlation. Where is the evidence of this?

What evidence do you expect? It's not like Twitter is going to show us a post morterm from their outage. Anyone who knows and uses twitter quite a bit can see that things have been wonky on the sites. Big users have mentioned tons of issues (their mentions being empty, twitter threads going broken, some tweets never reaching their audience not even a bit), etc, etc. It's all anecdotal of course, we can't build a case of evidence, this is a private company and all the shit internally is private. But things are getting worse, not better. Even those big initiatives announced are not actually happening, that paid and free API plan that was supposed to be released in 7 days? It's been a month and nothing. Things are not "normal" and clearly the lack of engineering talent is slowing a lot of things down (both new development and infrastructure resilience).

Re: Twitter was down

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post #267

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> Given that they are unprofitable, if I were a shareholder I would be upset if I did not see experiments being run to see how much cost can be cut and where. Twitter will never get to $44bn market cap again (much less a valuation with a decent IRR) by cutting costs alone. They need to grow way more than they need to cut costs. If any of those experiments lead to less growth (which I’d argue is true of a broken Tweet…

If I were a former Twitter shareholder, I'd be extremely grateful to the board for selling the whole thing for 44 Bn. No way tje company would have reached this evaluation without Musk. And Musk knew it, he just signed himself a contract he couldn't het out of.

As a nit, Twitter traded well above $44bn for good portions of 2021.

It was arguably even a fair price when he offered it (acquisition always have premiums), the market just turned.

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> Sending best of luck to the engineers. ... mostly around the hope they can jump ship before the Titanic pulls them under.

Why would you stay at Twitter? Even if you believe in the platform and the mission, this has to be one of the most stressful work environments in tech right now. The only cases I can think of for staying: - Unfortunate H-1Bs tied to the job. (We really need to make it easier for these folks to switch jobs and keep their visa!) - A feeling one needs the job and can't easily get work elsewhere. Perhaps living paycheck…

> Unfortunate H-1Bs tied to the job.

Or we could reduce the hoops & cycle time for legal immigration. The US has an opportunity right now to cement itself as the leader in technology for the next 2-3 decades and stave off the impending population growth crisis if we could find a way to enable people who want to live here to live here.

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