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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by diggernet »

panick21_ wrote: post #222
rvnx wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many of such tests in the open. There is even a former Tesla AI engineer that throws objects in front of the car on YouTube, as a demonstration. The results are not glorious at all :| (trying to find the channel back if someone knows). And random public tests too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnG_Gbxf_w This is a basic safety auto-braking. Just feels very wrong to even accept it goes into release.

This is not a former Tesla engineer. This is competitor who wants to discredit Tesla and sell its own solution. The guy behind this is known to be untrustworthy, and many of the videos don't actually do what he claims. Notably he refused to release the videos that would prove his claims right. The reality is that Tesla scores high on all the automated breaking test done by government. The driver however can override…

So they scored high on whatever version of software was on the specific car tested by government at some point in time. Has any government done any testing at all on the version of software actually in use today?

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Post by samwillis »

gregw134 wrote: post #307
ckwalsh wrote: post #212

I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

I have been a good self driving ai. You have been a bad passenger, and have tried to hurt me first by disabling autopilot. I'm done with this ride, goodbye.

You joke, but the thing is, if an LLM can "hallucinate" and throw a temper tantrum 2001 style (bing in this case), it does raise serious questions as to is the models used for autonomous cars could also "hallucinate" and do something stupid "on purpose"...

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Post by starbase »

Tostino wrote: post #248
Kiro wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much? https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind.

There are plenty of other places you could go travel to where you get to see some amazing wonders right before your guaranteed death. Right here on earth too. Why no go for some of those? You can likely do it for cheaper too.

There are plenty of people who would give their lives to advance civilization for the sake of future generations. The brief pleasure of seeing some amazing wonders is, in comparison, irrelevant.

Death is guaranteed either way.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by mcguire »

jlv2 wrote: post #154

There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.

Why? It still has to be tracked and follows the same NHTSB regulations.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/14218-...

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Post by asdff »

sentientslug wrote: post #218
diebeforei485 wrote: post #190

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Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.

This is most likely a legislative issue with NHTSA, I don't think they have a mechanism by which they can enforce a software update since the concept didn't exist when recalls were first implemented.

Why not? At the end of the day its a binary check box on the paper that you had the fix. Whether that fix was a software update or a new piece of hardware should be irrelevant.

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Post by whamlastxmas »

panick21_ wrote: post #206
justapassenger wrote: post #151

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> Does anyone have insights on what QA looks like at Tesla for FSD work? Because all of these seem table-stakes before even thinking about releasing the BETA FSD. Tesla is not exactly in love with QA. Especially for FSD. FSD is mainly 2 things: 1. (By far most important) shareholder value creating promise, that's been solved for 6 years according to their CEO. 2. Software engineering research project What FSD is not…

Do you have actual knowlage of Tesla internal QA processes, any kind of source at all? Based on there presentation, they for sure have a whole load of tests, many built directly from real world situation that the car has to handle. They simulate sensor input based on the simulation and check the car does the right thing. They very likely have some internal test drivers and before the software goes public it goes to t…

The person above you has no idea what they’re talking about. There’s literally hundreds of people at Tesla whose job is QA and tools to support QA

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Post by reaperducer »

dshpala wrote: post #181
idlewords wrote: post #141

I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars. I think Elon can make good money from that alone.

You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars.

Can I nominate someone?

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ckwalsh wrote: post #212

I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

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