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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by mardifoufs »

MrGilbert wrote: post #230
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #174

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No that’s because your battery is old. Swap the battery and that “slow old phone” suddenly has the exact same speed as the current flagship

Yes and no. Yes, iPhones get throttled when the battery is on the verge of going ex, but no for this particular device. I run an iPhone X with a new battery from November 2021 (serviced by Apple), with maximum capacity at 90%, and it really is slower compared to the old days. But! I'm not complaining. It's an almost 6 year old device. That means, for every year of usage, I payed roughly 200€, or 16€ per month. That's…

90% is pretty degraded for a battery (if the battery health metrics work the same way as Androids do). By 80% it's usually almost completely unusable, in my experience

Though I agree that battery health hasn't been super important to performance. But resetting the phone can do wonders

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Post by scarface74 »

yumraj wrote: post #375
scarface74 wrote: post #363

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The average selling price of an iPhone is over $1000. How many iPhone buyers are that price sensitive to a $40 difference in price for a battery that they might replace over four years.

I have an iPhone SE2, with 86% battery health, over 86GB of storage left and performance and size that is just perfect for me. Why will I replace my phone if it's in just fine working condition and is sufficient for my needs, that too in just 4 years? Battery replacement will work well for me once it's below 80%.

That’s just the point. Very few people who bought an iPhone are going to let a $40 increase in battery replacement costs deter them.

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Post by dontlaugh »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #250
herpderperator wrote: post #51

> However, single-core performance is generally considered more important when it comes to overall speed for everyday usage, as most tasks are unable to scale efficiently across multiple cores. Thank you for acknowledging this. I think few people actually appreciate the need for better single-core performance. It's, in comparison, easy to just add more cores and use more power, but what is hard is making one core fas…

"Few people appreciate it" because it's no longer relevant with modern operating systems and programs for the vast majority of users and applications, which is why in almost every market imaginable, CPUs and SoCs have migrated toward higher core counts. It takes a special sort of arrogance to look at literally the entire industry and go "psssst, savages don't know what they're doing. Single core performance is where…

Very little of the hot loop involving user interaction will ever use more than one core. Single core performance is still the most important.

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Post by rakoo »

warkdarrior wrote: post #371
rakoo wrote: post #82

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It's not a big deal if you don't care about the environment. It's about time we forget this wasteful mindset

So getting the battery replaced is not environmentally friendly?? What is the environmental option then?

Shopping for a phone with a better battery life out of the box, before you need to change it. I think that's what the GP wanted to say.

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Post by mrtksn »

dileepkr wrote: post #232

To all the iphone diehards, I recently switched from Samsung to iphone 14PM and I whole heartedly hate following things: 1. The keyboard in ios: its unintuitive and ancient compared to the android counterparts. And No, Gboard, swiftkey keyboard in ios suck equally bad too. 2. Battery drain issues: Battery drains randomly, main culprit being "find my" process. This alone drains ~8% of battery overnight on my iphone an…

> . Battery drain issues: Battery drains randomly, main culprit being "find my" process.

You probably have an AirTag around you, there's a bug causing that. Update the AirTag firmware.

> 3. Lack of the back button is a huge pain in the ass

Swipe from the left edge of the screen to right, that's the iOS back button.

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Post by powersnail »

acdha wrote: post #352
powersnail wrote: post #257

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> You care about single-core performance when you use the web: Theoretically, I would care. But in practice, I just took out an old budget android phone, gave it a go at browsing the web (news, images, and videos), and it seemed not to be noticeably slower than my much newer and pricier iPhone. Benchmarks would probably show a great difference between the two, but my eyes can't tell.

People's tolerance varies and so do the sites they visit – and things like news sites are a lot better than they used to be before Google started more aggressively including performance in their search ranking factors. My interest in this topic is mostly the same as the author of the post I linked, namely making sure that developers test and measure on lower-end devices to make sure they're not building sites which e…

I agree on the principle. Developers should care about low budget devices, and demographics—key or not—shouldn’t be excluded. The principle is sound.

But that is different from the observation of the beginning of this thread, which is that Geekbench scores don’t really reflect practical limitation of devices. A big difference in the score does not mean a noticeable difference in performance when doing everyday web browsing on the phone. An observation that my own experience echoes.

Even if I’m extra-tolerant (I don’t think I am), it would surprise me that a performance difference I can’t even notice is going to be so intolerable to another human being that they are excluded from using the website.

When it comes to governmental services on the internet, I think really the focus is on whether the site _works_ on all kinds of devices, which means whether the rendering and interactions are correct. Some can fail to render on a low budget phone, or if some button doesn’t work, etc. these are real problems but that is quite irrelevant to benchmarks.

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Post by sidlls »

smokelegend wrote: post #325
goosedragons wrote: post #198

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Performance? Maybe. Lifetime? Maybe. Utility? No. The extra restrictions Apple packs on cuts utility. No emulators, no NFC pairing, no auto-sorting your app pages alphabetically, worse notifications, no grabbing that file off a USB C drive, etc. Certainly never got some of the weird but useful things Android phones have had like being a universal remote. Android phones can do everything iPhones can plus more. You can…

One could make the argument that Apple has to have something that Android doesn't... a faster cpu? This doesn't mean that Android needs to have the fastest cpu, because they can do more with the resources they have better then Apple does. Wireless charging android phone to android phone, done. Wireless charging your headphone case from your Android phone, done. Want to plug in a hard drive, ssd, ide, cd-rom, 3.5inche…

Yes, you fit in the “rounding error” group of users. Nobody (almost) cares about any of the features you noted. I’m not talking technology-ignorant people, either: the vast majority of phone users, including sophisticated users, use it for basic app functionality and texting. They aren’t hooking up hard drives or keyboards and don’t even want to.

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Post by nickpeterson »

wiseowise wrote: post #31
nickpeterson wrote: post #9

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I love this response because no matter if I read it as sarcastic or not it’s still funny.

After M1 success, what’s funny?

It’s just the way he tells the story, ya’know funny

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Post by hpen »

borissk wrote: post #353
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

There is no danger of Apple becoming a monopoly in the future AR industry. Their products will be very expensive and out of reach for the majority of worlds population. Most of those who can afford them will still prefer a more open ecosystem from the likes of Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Huawei, etc. even if their offerings are slightly less advanced. With their A and M series SOCs Apple had an advantage in mobile, t…

But those who like apple actually like the cohesive ecosystem which I would argue is fundamentally on the other side of the fence from an open ecosystem.

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Post by seydor »

rblatz wrote: post #378
seydor wrote: post #278

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You 're talking about the american market. Most of the world uses android phones I think samsung and qualcomm are more important companies, because they compete in components, making incremental changes in the electronics industry . Apple is a vertically integrated, closed monolith and the rest of the ecosystem will not / cannot benefit from their innovations. Samsung should focus on differntiating itself from apple…

What would you possibly want a bunch of ports on your phone for?

- i use my audio jack instead of charging earphones

- audio cable also acts as an FM radio antenna, which i have used when signal is bad

- wouldn't mind a desktop docking port

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