I hope they turn this into a more agnostic data residency and privacy bill. I dont see much merit in targeting just tiktok or even just social media companies.
Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok
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#382I love how it forces them to say the quiet part out loud: "The kind of tracking that all of these companies do is against your interest and should be considered a threat".
In this case they are implying that China having my data should scare me more than google but google has much more ability to ruin my life than China as an American
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? How are they lies, they were operating fine until they decided to not follow the laws one day. That was their prerogative and not the CCP deciding to block them from the market. Unless you can point to laws tiktok is violating it's not a remotely comparable situation. The way that Chinese companies work they explicitly create distinct entities that can meet the requirements of any territories that they operate…
If you think Google and basically every other Western tech company choose to leave China on a whim despite massive profit that could be made I have a few crypto exchanges for you to deposit your money in. "They weren't following the law" The law: "You have to give a chinese company all your technology and 51 percent ownership" China is a flat out enemy of the United States. We should treat TikTok as an arm of that en…
That's flat out false, there are no such demands. You should actually look these things up instead of listening to reductive memes. The joint venture system was an anti-colonial idea that was proposed first by the US. It only ever applied to specific strategic industries like banking and autos. Tech companies like Microsoft, apple, etc wholly own their subsidiaries in China.
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does that even mean? You think tiktok will lead to Chinese invasion? What a complete hyperbole, might as well restrict every civil liberty then since they will obviously all help our future Chinese invaders! Maybe I didn't understand your comment though.
> Maybe I didn't understand your comment though. Yes, you have misunderstood. GP asked what shade of gray goes with US gov running appstore. I responded with a fascist imagery - gray uniforms and black boots. [Those would be certain Americans wearing boots ..] I agree with GP that taking a totalitarian regime (CPC's China) as a role model is not the right choice for us, at all.
Sorry about that! Completely missed the point. I agree with you fwiw.
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#385"TikTok is digital fentanyl that’s addicting Americans, collecting troves of their data, and censoring their news." Is the conclusion that all forms of digital fentanyl should be banned or just Chinese ones? Because the reality is there's nothing too exceptional about TikTok's underlying algorithms. Will lawmakers be willing enact legislation against companies marketing similar "digital fentanyl" but that are America…
This is a trade dispute. The US no longer feels that China will ever open their domestic market to outside competition, so why should we keep our domestic market open to Chinese companies?
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
The centralized bureau is called CCP. TikTok's main power is creating associations. For example, CCP may dislike some US politician because he is a trouble for Huawei, so TikTok starts subtly pushing videos that associate that politician with bad stuff. In a few weeks 150 millions US citizens have a strong negative reaction to that politician. TikTok may do the same for targeted high-profile individuals, e.g. family…
Have any direct, verifiable, falsifiable and testable evidence with clear a audit trail? I'd love to see it Sorry for the high bar. Remarkable stories of secret vast networks of communist mind control have a long history. I claim aggressive skepticism of supposed international plots by a cabal of communist puppetmasters is warranted. I mean Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, real spies. Not saying this stuff is impossible,…
You're surprisingly passionate about defending TikTok and CCP.
Also, I want to note how your comment is structured:
1. Demand an impossible proof.
2. Gaslight with remarks about vast spy networks, mind control and illuminatis.
3. Distract with an irrelevant, but true story.
Like I said, you're defending TikTok & CCP with surprising passion and competence.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think Google and basically every other Western tech company choose to leave China on a whim despite massive profit that could be made I have a few crypto exchanges for you to deposit your money in. "They weren't following the law" The law: "You have to give a chinese company all your technology and 51 percent ownership" China is a flat out enemy of the United States. We should treat TikTok as an arm of that en…
That's flat out false, there are no such demands. You should actually look these things up instead of listening to reductive memes. The joint venture system was an anti-colonial idea that was proposed first by the US. It only ever applied to specific strategic industries like banking and autos. Tech companies like Microsoft, apple, etc wholly own their subsidiaries in China.
Tech subsidiaries like AMD?
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#388Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…
How exactly would the US enforce any such regulation? It seems obvious that Bytedance simply would ignore it.
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
This legislation does not ban TikTok by name. It: > [prohibits] all transactions from any social media company in, or under the influence of, China, Russia, and several other foreign countries of concern. (After a quick read of the bill, it sounds like it may also ban VK. Although, it is already sanctioned.)
Check page 4. This legislation provides a list of companies which are social media companies. TikTok, Bytedance and any company that may be owned by either of those are the companies listed. What other social media companies from China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela might they have explicitly listed as a social media company? There are probably some.. maybe Yandex has some social media? WeChat? Regardles…
On page 7-8 they explain how "social media company" is defined. It's common for laws to have some examples along with the general rule. It doesn't mean it only applies to TikTok.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keeping our markets open is the American way and it's how the US became the preeminent trading nation and the cornerstone and chief architect of the global economic system. The US always pushes hard for other nations to open their markets as well (for better or worse), but it also leads by example.
"America" in the abstract has benefited immensely from free trade, but the average American has not. Wealth inequality has never been worse.
Probably >50% of consumer purchases are imported so it's hard to argue it doesn't benefit them. Imagine suddenly not having access to 50% of the things you buy (or at least having to pay substantially more).