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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Probably complete OT but is this correct grammatically? "First, none of our policies have changed." I think it should read "none of our policies has changed" instead. But I might be wrong as I get confused about this often.

In English, zero is grammatically plural. This isn't inherently true of all languages (that have a grammatical plural)--French, notably, treats zero as grammatically singular.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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It seems that he has about $200 Billion left, so I wouldn't worry too much about loans. https://www.forbes.com/profile/elon-musk/?sh=1b1e26227999

So you are suggesting He'll pay from his personal coffers? by selling tesla stock? thats not bad at all.

What else to spend money on, than to ... influence Western culture and thought? If you only have a few billion you can buy a sports team, but if you have a few hundred, and still your youthful energy, what else could you do?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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A/B tests are pretty problematic for social networks, since anything effective can also influence the control group. They are excellent for single-player activities like shopping carts and signup flows. "Network Experimentation at Scale" from Facebook describes how difficult this problem is. Most A/B test frameworks don't reach this level of sophistication. It does make some sense to just ship things if you don't hav…

They're also problematic because you'll likely optimize for whatever metric you pick with no regard to the ethics of the optimization. Sometimes a double blind test is not the right thing to do.

I've never really bought this argument. There might be unethical growth hackers in the company, but A/B tests are not the problem in that situation.

In my experience, they mostly just catch bugs. Stuff like "hmm, our much better looking signup flow underperforms... oh, the form is broken on Safari." That kind of thing.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Mastodon doesn't do any of the things I want out of social media, and has the most backwards thinking to moderation. The moderation system is based on witch hunting. Federation can't work when there are discrete sets of people that absolutely hate each other. Right now Mastodon is full of the most far-left people.

First it's "The government can't stop me from saying anything I want", then it's "Corporations can't stop me from saying anything I want on their platform", and now you've progressed to "Private individuals running their own instances have to federate with me and listen to what I say or else they're witch hunting leftists". It's my own instance, I will federate with who I want. You have the right to run your instance…

The local HOA can be far more oppressive than the faraway president. IRC servers were often run by petty tyrants. Mastodon federates at the wrong level.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. They recently unbanned many controversial accounts based solely on Twitter polls. Who do they expect will believe these statements?

And banned accounts when fringe far right "journalists" complained about them. https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...

Ok but groups like the Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club are not a trivial account (or frankly even a journalist). They're a radical antifa group who follow people (include government agents) officials around with guns, openly assaulting them, and has been part of deadly riots. It's like the proud boys x2

I also wouldn't call Andy Ngo, a gay asian journalist who's spoken in front of congress, far right. He basically records riots in Portland and uploads them to twitter, and he's only right wing in the sense that more republicans watch his videos than democrats

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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> Our Trust & Safety team... remains strong and well-resourced... > ...impressions on violative content are down over the past month... I think both of those claims are demonstrably false.

Can you demonstrate them as such? And can you validate your demonstration by eliminating the content produced by bots and sock puppets?

Hi, given the layoffs, firings, and resignations, I think the claim "Our Trust & Safety team... remains strong and well-resourced..." is the one that has the burden of proof.

The second claim is absolutely more nuanced, and I admit, will be much harder to falsify.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this? If it's always been this rash, hasty and questionable then i can only imagine the real heroes are the people around him who managed to refine what he says and wants into tangible, achievable and coherent goals. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his actions these days, it does at least seem a signi…

Not sure if this will be shareable/readable, but I thought this piece was interesting: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/elon-musk-and-the-narci...

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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So banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK… But banning antifa-accounts, that is accounts held by people taking part in month long riots and looting and political real-world violence… that is bad? Is this satire? Is this an honestly held opinion? Or am I missing something?

You are missing the fact that no-one was getting banned merely for having an option or for their actions outside of the Twitter platform. They were banned for continuously violating the terms of service e.g. inciting violence, racist or xenophobic content, doxxing etc. And what happened here is that those left-wing accounts were banned without any such violation i.e. it was purely arbitrary and the very thing you cla…

> You are missing the fact that no-one was getting banned merely for having an option or for their actions outside of the Twitter platform. They were banned for continuously violating the terms of service e.g. inciting violence, racist or xenophobic content, doxxing etc.

Where's the evidence for this claim? Twitter did not publish rationales for bans and there was no clarity or consistent enforcement of what did or didn't constitute a ToS violation.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #362

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Has CameronNemo's post been edited after your comment to add that link to the article at The Intercept? If so, check out that article. It should clear things up. If not, and you have read the article, you probably skimmed it and mixed up antifascist and antifa. Generally the later is a subset of the former.

I read the Intercept article, and clicked through and read some the screen captured tweets from the “antifascist” accounts that were banned that the article did not care to include. The Intercept article is not journalism. It’s a PR piece for the accounts that were banned and quotes spokespeople for the impacted groups totally uncritically. Calling them antifascists seems a misnomer too, they seem to me to be actuall…

> Calling them antifascists seems a misnomer too, they seem to me to be actually anti-capitalist rabble-rousers and professional rioters. Educating, equipping, funding and inciting violent riots seems a clear TOS violation to me.

So I take it you think everyone involved in the January 6 riot including Donald Trump should be banned from Twitter then?.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #362

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Has CameronNemo's post been edited after your comment to add that link to the article at The Intercept? If so, check out that article. It should clear things up. If not, and you have read the article, you probably skimmed it and mixed up antifascist and antifa. Generally the later is a subset of the former.

I read the Intercept article, and clicked through and read some the screen captured tweets from the “antifascist” accounts that were banned that the article did not care to include. The Intercept article is not journalism. It’s a PR piece for the accounts that were banned and quotes spokespeople for the impacted groups totally uncritically. Calling them antifascists seems a misnomer too, they seem to me to be actuall…

What does it tell about people who wants to paint black mark on antifascist label in thread about unbanning far right?
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