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Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by ColonelPhantom »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #326
petesergeant wrote: post #322

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Could you give some examples of the differences I would see as a TypeScript developer using a “full-blown IDE” over VS Code.

For TypeScript there's little difference since most of TypeScript support comes from the same language server running in the background (there's an option in the menus to restart it if it breaks, same as in vscode). Although autocomplete is better (especially for pure JS), it doesn't warrant paying for a license IMHO. Personally, I use IDEA for TS because I use it for other languages where it blows everything else ou…

Even if JetBrains does support your language more "natively", what makes it better than using a language server?

As a student I can use JetBrains tools for free but personally, I'd much rather use something like VSCode combined with clangd than e.g. CLion, as I don't see anything that would make CLion better, while the JetBrains UI is downright cluttered.

As for keyboard use, the command pallete (Ctrl+Shift+P) is right there and should be able to do anything. And thanks to the magic of language servers you can use any editor you like, including (Neo)Vim or Emacs, while keeping most of the capability for language specific stuff.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by marginalia_nu »

animuchan wrote: post #366
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #326

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For TypeScript there's little difference since most of TypeScript support comes from the same language server running in the background (there's an option in the menus to restart it if it breaks, same as in vscode). Although autocomplete is better (especially for pure JS), it doesn't warrant paying for a license IMHO. Personally, I use IDEA for TS because I use it for other languages where it blows everything else ou…

In my experience JS autocomplete in IntelliJ isn't better, it just shows more stuff. Most of it unrelated and won't work / will be `undefined` if chosen. It does, however, teach junior developers that the autocomplete is unreliable, which is a good thing I guess — I've seen juniors in statically typed languages like Java fail coding interviews because they couldn't remember any of the syntax, the knowledge was contai…

I do agree IntelliJ's autocomplete is kinda crap out of the box. But if you turn off all the machine learning stuff it's back to being alright.

> I've seen juniors in statically typed languages like Java fail coding interviews because they couldn't remember any of the syntax, the knowledge was contained in the autocomplete and didn't transfer to a whiteboard.

Is this really a problem? How much Java code does anyone write on a whiteboard outside of an interview or teaching setting?

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by thirdvect0r »

batushka3 wrote: post #369
mythz wrote: post #267

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JetBrains IDE's is the most notable exception of dev tools I personally pay for, insane value and productivity makes it a no-brainer purchase given its instant ROI from time saved. Life's too short to not maximize your productivity for a few $'s.

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Further to what others have said, JetBrains literally stopped sales and R&D in Russia after the conflict started.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2022/03/11/jetbrains-stateme...

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Post by solarkraft »

satvikpendem wrote: post #93
ShamelessC wrote: post #32

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What category is that? Open source code generation?

If so, there are others too, like Fauxpilot, and the Salesforce one, both are open source I believe.

Indeed. I find it very exciting when a product category dominated by proprietary products gets a FOSS alternative. I wasn't aware of the others, thanks!

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Post by worldsayshi »

mythz wrote: post #267
irrational wrote: post #247

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I’m a web developer. My company pays for JetBrains IntelliJ for me. And I love it. But, if I had to pay for it out of my own pocket, I’d use VS Code instead. I’ve used both and IntelliJ is superior to VS Code, but not to such an extent that I would pay my own money for it. But I’m more than happy to have my company buy it for me.

JetBrains IDE's is the most notable exception of dev tools I personally pay for, insane value and productivity makes it a no-brainer purchase given its instant ROI from time saved. Life's too short to not maximize your productivity for a few $'s.

I personally pay for Intellij but lately I've found it harder to motivate when vscode provides a very similar experience and especially since Python is supported out of the box for vscode.

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Post by codeisawesome »

LASR wrote: post #235

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. I know this first hand, building a developer tool startup and failing to reach any level of revenue. In the end, the tech was bought out by a larger company to recover a fraction of our VC investment. The challenge is that when you're building software for developers, they already know how it must work. It's like trying to sell magic tricks to magici…

What’s the best book/material on how to build a business like your friend’s? Discovering the niche, and expanding the client base are the main questions.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by somethingreen »

lycopodiopsida wrote: post #372
batushka3 wrote: post #369

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JetBrains is a czech company. And always was, as in "founded in Prague". Stop spreading FUD.

Could you point me to a couple videos of Czech JB devs talking at Czech conferences in Czech?

Asking seriously. Because I was a russian speaking Ukrainian until recently and used to listen to tech podcasts and talks in russian all the time, for years, starting back when JB products just started gaining popularity. Not once was the company or it's products regarded as Czech by russians. It was always talked about as russian, all the podcast guests from JB were russian, all the conf speakers were russian.

Now, it wouldn't be the first time russians appropriated something that wasn't theirs. Which is why I'm asking if there are actually any signs of JB operating in Czechia outside of company being registered there. All I can find is JetbrainsCZ youtube channel with whopping 44 views on its single office walk video.

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Post by Already__Taken »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #271
dehrmann wrote: post #252

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>> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Hijacking the quote... I can't count the number of times I see well-paid developers using the Sublime Text trial.

Sublime is too expensive. $99 is too much. They should make a special christmas offer %90 off and many (of those who will never pay otherwise) will pay.

They should also off a £8/mo plan to use a custom icon and let people realize how good they've got it for a one off £90.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by Ennea »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #271
dehrmann wrote: post #252

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>> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Hijacking the quote... I can't count the number of times I see well-paid developers using the Sublime Text trial.

Sublime is too expensive. $99 is too much. They should make a special christmas offer %90 off and many (of those who will never pay otherwise) will pay.

I've paid $60 or so once, and then another $60 or so for the upgrade to version 4. I've used Sublime Text for almost 10 years, essentially every single day. A hundred bucks for a tool I use every day is not too expensive. And Sublime Text is extremely good at what it does.
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