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Re: TomTom’s new mapping platform and ecosystem

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Searching the article for the words: "open" - 19 results "open-source" - 4 results The "open-source" refers to using other's open-source data, no mention of TomTom's. e.g. "The world lacks a truly open and collaborative mapping ecosystem, one that doesn’t follow a one-size-fits-all model but is flexible so that businesses can build according to their needs. One that fosters collaboration, data sharing and open innova…

Open for business.

Re: TomTom’s new mapping platform and ecosystem

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OSM and OsmAnd seem great except when you want to search for something. If I search for "mcdonalds" typed lazily I get 5 results hundreds of miles away. To find the local Mcdonalds restaurant I have to type "McDonald's" very specifically. This lack of fuzzy search makes these apps unusable. Its an unfortunate situation of the two parties involved in this software each pointing at each other and blaming the other with…

That McDonalds thing happens to me even with Google Maps. Sometimes shows locations in another state instead of the closest ones sorted to top.

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I've been using Apple Maps as my regular navigator since iOS 15.0 general release, and I've been impressed. The audio directions are much clearer - e.g. "Go through this light, and at the next one turn right". The integration with Siri and CarPlay is very handy - e.g. "Hey Siri, get directions to Bob's house". And the traffic data is noticeably better in the last year. Disclaimer: I live in suburban U.S. - I've heard…

Apple Maps still can't accurately route people to my house in suburban California. They end up one block over.

Have you tired submitting an issue? No one could map to a place I used to live out in the sticks accurately but I submitted a bug/issue to Google Maps and Apple and they fixed it.

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I have a modern car with a built-in satnav as well as Android Auto support, and yet I still use my TomTom 5000 - it's just better. Definitely better than crappy Google Maps, definitely better than volvo's built-in maps, and it's without any kind of comparison how much better it is than Apple Maps. You get in the car, it auto-selects the destination based on the patterns it learnt(so if you get in at 7am on a workday,…

> It's just better. Definitely better than crappy Google Maps I struggling to see how anything could be "definitely" better than "crappy" Google Maps. To me, GMaps has made navigation about as exciting as using a door knob. It works without fail, and is so incredibly mundane, that the thought of forming a strong opinion about it makes me drowsy.

In my experience - it's just frequently wrong, to a point where I don't feel confident using it. Telling you to turn where you can't, going wrong way up one-way streets, showing you that streets connect on the map where they actually don't.......I could keep going. I keep reporting errors and they never get fixed. Like I mentioned in another comment there's a road near my work which has a no-left-turn sign but Google maps still keeps telling me to turn left there - I've been reporting that error since at least 2018 but no one cares. One of my friends lives on a new(5 years old) estate and Google still doesn't recognize his address despite many submissions to Google to fix this. Another lives in a Victorian house that hasn't moved for over a century last time I checked, yet you won't find it on Google maps - Google still insists his address is several streets over.

Maybe it's just the UK maps and it works fine elsewhere, I don't know.

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Tom Tom used to charge for map updates, which became a no-go for many. The same thing thing with built-in ones. Toyota asked 60 euro for the map updates and unfortunately no android/ios auto.. i am going between google maps / apple maps. I find routes better in google maps but i love apple maps voice indications better. I still have also a free lifetime update tomtom but it very slow to add destination etc.

> Tom Tom used to charge for map updates, which became a no-go for many. There was also an instance when they unceremoniously stopped supporting updates on “old” devices that were not actually that old and were in fact still actively being sold in stores (in the UK at least). I know people who switched to alternatives (the smartphone option in all cases IIRC) and vowed they'd never pay for another TomTom device again…

So I'm not sure what device you have in mind, but the one I mentioned(GO5000) still receives regular and free map updates despite being 12 years old now.

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I've never owned one. As you can tell from the opening statement of my original comment above, I'm old. Surprisingly, I seem to be able to go through life just fine, so don't worry.

> I seem to be able to go through life just fine. [AMA] How do you find your way out of the house in the morning? And what do you do when you're stuck somewhere with other people who you don't know?

>And what do you do when you're stuck somewhere with other people who you don't know?

Even worse, what do you do when you are passing by someone you barely know and don't want to exchange pleasantries?

How do you even poop?

Re: TomTom’s new mapping platform and ecosystem

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I worked at Tele Atlas/TomTom until 10 years ago. There is literally nothing new in this announcement except that they are going to "steal" data from OSM now. sensor derived data, user generated content, camera vans all of that is not new. All this existed when I left, so did the people mentioned in this announcement that are still running the show. I always hoped they would eventually realize that they need a fresh…

How are they stealing? Are they breaking some kind of licensing agreement with OSM?

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Google Maps has one of the most abusive license practices I've seen; effectively they force every one of their competitors to use OSM. As a consequence, OSM is the default for every company in this space.

A business decision regarding IP is not abuse.

Abusive means "extremely offensive and insulting", according to Google

Re: TomTom’s new mapping platform and ecosystem

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OSM and OsmAnd seem great except when you want to search for something. If I search for "mcdonalds" typed lazily I get 5 results hundreds of miles away. To find the local Mcdonalds restaurant I have to type "McDonald's" very specifically. This lack of fuzzy search makes these apps unusable. Its an unfortunate situation of the two parties involved in this software each pointing at each other and blaming the other with…

OsmAnd is also very bad in many states where you can't search for addresses because they don't have the data. Georgia is one example.

I often have to use a third party to convert address to GPS coordinates.

Re: TomTom’s new mapping platform and ecosystem

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I have a modern car with a built-in satnav as well as Android Auto support, and yet I still use my TomTom 5000 - it's just better. Definitely better than crappy Google Maps, definitely better than volvo's built-in maps, and it's without any kind of comparison how much better it is than Apple Maps. You get in the car, it auto-selects the destination based on the patterns it learnt(so if you get in at 7am on a workday,…

> It's just better. Definitely better than crappy Google Maps I struggling to see how anything could be "definitely" better than "crappy" Google Maps. To me, GMaps has made navigation about as exciting as using a door knob. It works without fail, and is so incredibly mundane, that the thought of forming a strong opinion about it makes me drowsy.

It (and all other GPS apps I've tried) work well enough, until you try to go somewhere you know well and have to turn it off to stop it from trying to reroute you over & over again.

If any app would allow me to have some sort of ability to let me set a level of "pain" (traffic, stoplights, smaller roads, extra turns) that's acceptable vs. a level of time savings, I'd use that app and never look back.

The number of times I've gone seemingly way out of the way only to rejoin a highway 30 minutes later in order to save 2 minutes total (vs the traffic I would have sat in) is way too damn high.

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